sparkyjoe1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Deadpulse said: "There are no known medical conditions aside from a severe skin condition [like a very severe burn that needs medical attention] on your face that would prevent a person from wearing this type of mask,” David Kaufman, MD, pulmonologist and director of the medical ICU at Tisch Hospital, tells Health. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/can-you-be-medically-exempt-from-wearing-a-face-mask Well, I'm certainly not a doctor, but I do have a diagnosis that prevents me from wearing a mask... It's not a severe skin condition either, so I'm not sure why Dr. Kaufman would be speaking with such certainty. The fact that he's speaking in absolutes (with 1 exception) should be a giant red flag and he should choose his wording more carefully. Us non-medical professionals typically trust that what a doctor is claiming is accurate, but in this case, he is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, sparkyjoe1 said: Well, I'm certainly not a doctor, but I do have a diagnosis that prevents me from wearing a mask... It's not a severe skin condition either, so I'm not sure why Dr. Kaufman would be speaking with such certainty. The fact that he's speaking in absolutes (with 1 exception) should be a giant red flag and he should choose his wording more carefully. Us non-medical professionals typically trust that what a doctor is claiming is accurate, but in this case, he is wrong. considering I have seen no other medical expert say any differently, I think I will go with he's right and guy on the football forum who just admitted to not being medically trained at all is wrong. Seems like pretty sound logic 🙃 Heres some more for you: Quote Tom Lawton, who works at the Bradford Royal Infirmary in Yorkshire, north England, said he decided to run with the mask on, following his concerns for people with respiratory illnesses who want to wear a mask but are too scared to do so over false information. He recorded that oxygen levels never fell below 98% of what it would usually be. He told Newsweek: "There are a lot of people out there who just don't want to wear a mask and will find any excuse they can but the people I'm more concerned about are people with respiratory illnesses, who would like to wear a mask, would like to do their bit, but are scared because there have been reports that it causes hypoxia [a condition where the body is deprived of oxygen], I've seen some reports about people dropping dead while wearing masks. "I'm someone who understands the science, I've got access to a pulse-oximeter (a device used to monitor the amount of oxygen carried around the body) so I can actually go out and show that it definitely doesn't. "To make up for the fact that I'm fit and healthy, I thought if I'm running then I'm using 10 times the amount of oxygen as I would if I'm just sat here. If I can show that I can get 10 peoples worth of oxygen through the mask then hopefully someone who has a respiratory disease and wants to wear a mask, they can be reassured that it is safe thing to do." https://www.newsweek.com/masks-covid-19-doctor-oxygen-1520060 Perhaps you are one of these people who is believing false information and therefore arent wearing a mask because of it as Dr. Lawton says above. Maybe this information will help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 3:04 PM, ET80 said: Incredible that they're even letting people in. This just feels like a very bad idea. Right? Like after a beer or 7 while yelling about the refs sucking you'll remember to wear it the whole time? Yea right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkyjoe1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Deadpulse said: considering I have seen no other medical expert say any differently, I think I will go with he's right and guy on the football forum who just admitted to not being medically trained at all is wrong. Seems like pretty sound logic 🙃 Heres some more for you: https://www.newsweek.com/masks-covid-19-doctor-oxygen-1520060 Perhaps you are one of these people who is believing false information and therefore arent wearing a mask because of it as Dr. Lawton says above. Maybe this information will help you. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I would typically side with the who specializes on that topic, but in this case I will trust my own personal experiences as well as the diagnosis that I have. If you'd care to discuss this further, I'd welcome it via PM. If not, I'm fine with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, sparkyjoe1 said: You are certainly entitled to your opinion Im presenting facts not an opinion. 2 minutes ago, sparkyjoe1 said: I will trust my own personal experiences as well as the diagnosis that I have. If you'd care to discuss this further, I'd welcome it via PM. If not, I'm fine with that too. I dont see a need to delve into your personal business, PM or not. I don't need to know your experience or diagnosis because based on the facts and the experts there isn't one that would prevent wearing a typical mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkyjoe1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Deadpulse said: Im presenting facts not an opinion. I dont see a need to delve into your personal business, PM or not. I don't need to know your experience or diagnosis because based on the facts and the experts there isn't one that would prevent wearing a typical mask. Well, the "facts" you are presenting aren't actually facts at all as they are flawed and inaccurate, but carry on. I don't expect you to trust some random internet guy on a football forum, but try not to be so dismissive of his actual life experiences just because they contradict your perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, sparkyjoe1 said: Well, the "facts" you are presenting aren't actually facts at all as they are flawed and inaccurate, but carry on. I don't expect you to trust some random internet guy on a football forum, but try not to be so dismissive of his actual life experiences just because they contradict your perspective. Just putting facts in quotes doesnt make them not facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkyjoe1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Deadpulse said: Just putting facts in quotes doesnt make them not facts. Just like calling them facts does not make them facts... they are opinions... Edited July 27, 2020 by sparkyjoe1 Late add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, sparkyjoe1 said: Just like calling them facts does not make them facts... LOL I literally linked sources and gave you empirical data from Dr. Lawson's experiment and testimony from medical experts who have done the leg work. Waiting for you to give me any credible information. I am giving you facts, showing you sources while you just flippantly tell me it's wrong without anything to back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkyjoe1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: LOL I literally linked sources and gave you empirical data from Dr. Lawson's experiment and testimony from medical experts who have done the leg work. Waiting for you to give me any credible information. I am giving you facts, showing you sources while you just flippantly tell me it's wrong without anything to back that up. I sent you a pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Until there is a vaccine I don't know why the NFL needs to have fans sitting in attendance at the games. Are they that worried that they will lose part of their fan base or ticket sales by taking a hard stance on this? I mean all the other pro sports leagues are not allowing fans, why should the NFL get a pass and risk putting people in harm's way? God forbid they have to play one season without any fans in attendance....🙄 While it might not be the same thing I don't see why they can't just pump crowd noise into the stadiums so that home teams still have somewhat of an advantage over the visiting team. Otherwise the NFL risks having an uneven playing field with some teams (depending on state laws) being allowed to have fans vs some teams not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10,000 fans x $ 30 each = $ 300,000/ game $300,000 x 16 games = 4,800,000 / weekend $4,800,000 x 16 weekends = $ 76,800,000 for Parking, merchandise, beer, food etc. 10,000 fans x $125 per ticket = $ 1,250,000 per game $ 1.25M x 16 games = $20 M per weekend in tix sales at a minimum $ 20 M x 16 weekends = $ 320 M in tix sales for reg season Pretty close to $400 M in revenue for having 10k fans at every game. Could be more/ less but its significant $$ either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deadpulse Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 This thread has nothing to do with protests, which are political topics and therefore such discussion is against forum rules. Next person to bring it up gets a warning. Keep discussion to face coverings and how it effects football related activities; ie attending a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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