Top 10 Run Stopping CBs Since 2000

[Ozzy]

How is Champ Bailey not on this list?  Same with Charles Woodson but sure maybe could consider him a safety but did play a lot of corner and was very physical I thought and is easily one of the best tackling corners all time.  Those two for sure and absolute all time great corners I feel especially all around in terms of tackling and ball skills.  Finnegan was very tough but hard to be better than Winfield at tackling from the corner position, he is easily top 3 possibly.  Ike Taylor is a good call same with Ty Law.  

 

 

Chris McAlister and Patrick Surtain come to mind, lesser extent Corey Fuller was a physical corner I thought.  Ronde Barber no question, Aeneas Williams should be included along with Nnamdi Asomugha when he was healthy and Richard Sherman is very physical as well and a good tackler when he is aggressive.  

 

[Jeezla]

4 hours ago, jrry32 said:

Are you joking with this one? Asante? He was not a good run defender.

i legit laughed out loud when I read it because I know (aka I'm fairly certain) he isn't joking.

I once saw Asante bend over, like you do when you stand and touch your toes, and tackle a guy like that in that position, using a combination of his spine and an akward hug. He actually tackled the guy, but you could tell he wasn't opposed to not tackling the guy.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Jeezla

[jrry32]

1 hour ago, Jeezla said:

i legit laughed out loud when I read it because I know (aka I'm fairly certain) he isn't joking.

I once saw Asante bend over, like you do when you stand and touch your toes, and tackle a guy like that in that position, using a combination of his spine and an akward hug. He actually tackled the guy, but you could tell he wasn't opposed to not tackling the guy.

Marcus Peters is basically the current Asante Samuel. Great playmaker. Can cover when he wants to cover. Risk taker. Indifferent to tackling.

[Hunter2_1]

8 hours ago, Jeezla said:

 

I once saw Asante bend over, like you do when you stand and touch your toes, and tackle a guy like that in that position, using a combination of his spine and an akward hug. He actually tackled the guy

See, you can't teach that talent. Imagine if he was actually trying? He's a natural....

 

[MSURacerDT55]

Antoine Winfield and then everyone else

[RandyMossIsBoss]

What is this based off of? 20 years is a long time, and a lot of players, to just go off memory and the eye test.

 

No way to account for missed tackles which is a fairly huge factor here, but this paints a somewhat good picture of which CBs do/don't belong in conversation. Scheme certainly plays a big role (...Tampa 2), but like I said I think this at least gives us some data and a starting point. A guy like Asante obviously doesn't belong in convo (not that we needed numbers to know that), while guys like Winfield or Barber should be leading candidates for top spot.

Tackles on running plays by CBs since 2000 (QB scrambles included), only looking at their seasons at CB while getting significant playing time. Courtesy of PFR's trusty game play finder tool. I broke it down by tackles per 16 games. Included everyone mentioned in thread plus any other prominent CBs I could remember. 

 

 

	Player	Gms	Tkls	Solo	Tkls per 16	Solo per 16
1	Ronde Barber	224	494	419	35.3	29.9
2	Charles Woodson	199	364	291	29.3	23.4
3	Antoine Winfield	175	312	266	28.5	24.3
4	Logan Ryan	77	136	84	28.3	17.5
5	Troy Vincent	147	215	178	23.4	19.4
6	Charles Tillman	168	245	191	23.3	18.2
7	Cortland Finnegan	128	183	141	22.9	17.6
8	Patrick Surtain	139	194	152	22.3	17.5
9	Kareem Jackson	132	184	155	22.3	18.8
10	DeAngelo Hall	149	205	164	22.0	17.6
11	Alterraun Verner	78	106	86	21.7	17.6
12	Marcus Trufant	124	168	133	21.7	17.2
13	Champ Bailey	215	288	257	21.4	19.1
14	Aeneas Williams	134	176	124	21.0	14.8
15	Sheldon Brown	159	203	162	20.4	16.3
16	Tre'Davious White	47	60	38	20.4	12.9
17	Nnamdi Asomugha	123	152	135	19.8	17.6
18	Josh Norman	92	113	81	19.7	14.1
19	Rasehan Mathis	125	152	131	19.5	16.8
20	Richard Sherman	134	152	124	18.1	14.8
21	Joe Haden	132	141	108	17.1	13.1
22	Terence Newman	221	234	196	16.9	14.2
23	Darrelle Revis	145	152	119	16.8	13.1
24	Chris Harris	139	145	117	16.7	13.5
25	Jalen Ramsey	60	62	49	16.5	13.1
26	Ty Law	175	180	138	16.5	12.6
27	Jason McCourty	135	138	109	16.4	12.9
28	Quentin Jammer	172	172	139	16.0	12.9
29	Ike Taylor	140	140	96	16.0	11.0
30	Brandon Carr	192	189	159	15.8	13.3
31	Chris McAlister	121	118	100	15.6	13.2
32	Brandon Browner	61	57	50	15.0	13.1
33	Carlos Rogers	114	104	82	14.6	11.5
34	Marlon Humphrey	30	27	15	14.4	8.0
35	Vontae Davis	120	106	90	14.1	12.0
36	Stephon Gilmore	113	96	79	13.6	11.2
37	Patrick Peterson	138	112	93	13.0	10.8
38	Deshea Townsend	79	62	44	12.6	8.9
39	Johnathan Joseph	200	156	120	12.5	9.6
40	Marcus Peters	77	54	38	11.2	7.9
41	Antonio Cromartie	142	95	85	10.7	9.6
42	Asante Samuel	141	82	74	9.3	8.4

 

[LuckIsGOAT]

5 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

What is this based off of? 20 years is a long time, and a lot of players, to just go off memory and the eye test.

 

No way to account for missed tackles which is a fairly huge factor here, but this paints a somewhat good picture of which CBs do/don't belong in conversation. Scheme certainly plays a big role (...Tampa 2), but like I said I think this at least gives us some data and a starting point. A guy like Asante obviously doesn't belong in convo (not that we needed numbers to know that), while guys like Winfield or Barber should be leading candidates for top spot.

Tackles on running plays by CBs since 2000 (QB scrambles included), only looking at their seasons at CB while getting significant playing time. Courtesy of PFR's trusty game play finder tool. I broke it down by tackles per 16 games. Included everyone mentioned in thread plus any other prominent CBs I could remember. 

 

 

	Player	Gms	Tkls	Solo	Tkls per 16	Solo per 16
1	Ronde Barber	224	494	419	35.3	29.9
2	Charles Woodson	199	364	291	29.3	23.4
3	Antoine Winfield	175	312	266	28.5	24.3
4	Logan Ryan	77	136	84	28.3	17.5
5	Troy Vincent	147	215	178	23.4	19.4
6	Charles Tillman	168	245	191	23.3	18.2
7	Cortland Finnegan	128	183	141	22.9	17.6
8	Patrick Surtain	139	194	152	22.3	17.5
9	Kareem Jackson	132	184	155	22.3	18.8
10	DeAngelo Hall	149	205	164	22.0	17.6
11	Alterraun Verner	78	106	86	21.7	17.6
12	Marcus Trufant	124	168	133	21.7	17.2
13	Champ Bailey	215	288	257	21.4	19.1
14	Aeneas Williams	134	176	124	21.0	14.8
15	Sheldon Brown	159	203	162	20.4	16.3
16	Tre'Davious White	47	60	38	20.4	12.9
17	Nnamdi Asomugha	123	152	135	19.8	17.6
18	Josh Norman	92	113	81	19.7	14.1
19	Rasehan Mathis	125	152	131	19.5	16.8
20	Richard Sherman	134	152	124	18.1	14.8
21	Joe Haden	132	141	108	17.1	13.1
22	Terence Newman	221	234	196	16.9	14.2
23	Darrelle Revis	145	152	119	16.8	13.1
24	Chris Harris	139	145	117	16.7	13.5
25	Jalen Ramsey	60	62	49	16.5	13.1
26	Ty Law	175	180	138	16.5	12.6
27	Jason McCourty	135	138	109	16.4	12.9
28	Quentin Jammer	172	172	139	16.0	12.9
29	Ike Taylor	140	140	96	16.0	11.0
30	Brandon Carr	192	189	159	15.8	13.3
31	Chris McAlister	121	118	100	15.6	13.2
32	Brandon Browner	61	57	50	15.0	13.1
33	Carlos Rogers	114	104	82	14.6	11.5
34	Marlon Humphrey	30	27	15	14.4	8.0
35	Vontae Davis	120	106	90	14.1	12.0
36	Stephon Gilmore	113	96	79	13.6	11.2
37	Patrick Peterson	138	112	93	13.0	10.8
38	Deshea Townsend	79	62	44	12.6	8.9
39	Johnathan Joseph	200	156	120	12.5	9.6
40	Marcus Peters	77	54	38	11.2	7.9
41	Antonio Cromartie	142	95	85	10.7	9.6
42	Asante Samuel	141	82	74	9.3	8.4

 

Good stuff and it does paint an accurate picture. Only comment is I think tackles really underrates someone like Browner who was really amazing at setting the edge and turning plays back inside

[Billy86]

It's Winfield, and it's not close. Tillman and Woodson were probably the closest during that period, and while both were superior overall CBs, Winfield was the best run stopping CB by a distance. I might be misremembering but recall it being an unquestioned consensus at the time, much like Lamar being the best scrambler at QB or Aaron Donald the best interior pass rusher is in more recent times. 

[Danger]

On 8/8/2020 at 11:46 PM, mse326 said:

Sheldon Brown was a beast against the run.

(I know that is technically a pass but I love the hit too much to post it)

Yeah OP has Asante Samuel, but his teammate Sheldon Brown was far better against the run. Asante was a ballhawk and one of the best at it, but Sheldon Brown did pretty much everything else better.

[ET80]

20 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Tackles on running plays by CBs since 2000 (QB scrambles included), only looking at their seasons at CB while getting significant playing time

 

On 8/6/2020 at 8:20 AM, ET80 said:

Kareem Jackson was a beast against the run when he was at CB. 

9th overall, not bad...

[RandyMossIsBoss]

17 hours ago, LuckIsGOAT said:

Good stuff and it does paint an accurate picture. Only comment is I think tackles really underrates someone like Browner who was really amazing at setting the edge and turning plays back inside

For sure, and treating all tackles vs run as equal is obviously flawed as in my chart: chasing down a RB because you didn’t set edge = good, setting the edge and forcing RB inside and giving LBs or DL the tackle = bad.

The game play finder tool does let you adjust for yards gained so we could make it only count tackles within a certain yard range from LOS, eliminate chase down tackles which really any CB can and dies make, but where should that cut off be? 5 yards?