MrOaktown_56 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Â I still think Abrams has a chance to be really good in this defense but if not I think this other guy can be really good too lol Yeah this is a good scenario for me. Also a possibility we play more 3 safety and Gillespie can definitely do that 3rd safety role well with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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101Raider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: This is actually one of the reasons why I wanted Carlo's bathroom and the third round in case Ferrell doesn't pan out Iâm guessing Solomon Thomas is going to be heavily relied upon to rotate in Ferrellâs 5T position in addition to 3T. My guess is that Thomas IS the Ferrell contingency plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, 101Raider said: Iâm guessing Solomon Thomas is going to be heavily relied upon to rotate in Ferrellâs 5T position in addition to 3T. My guess is that Thomas IS the Ferrell contingency plan.  I don't think so. I think they are going to use him at three technique only because I guarantee you they feel like he was used wrong on the Niners. I think he was used wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, SimonGruber said: Speculation obviously but maybe Gus Bradley isnât all that impressed with whatâs he seen on Abram. Not sure anyone on planet earth can watch Abram's 2020 film and come away impressed. Mayock said they brought back KJ as insurance behind him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:  I don't think so. I think they are going to use him at three technique only because I guarantee you they feel like he was used wrong on the Niners. I think he was used wrong Agreed he was used wrong, but I donât  see anyone else on the roster at this point that would rotate schematically in that position.  Thing about Bradley is that man rotates the D-line continuously throughout the game. Itâs why Iâm guessing his totally content with fielding a large squad of good not great players (obviously he didnât really have choice with the weak draft and FA).  Philosophy is that his guys are going to be continually fresh and hungry as the o-line wears down over the course of the game. I standby the idea that Thomas is going to see a lot of 5T this year and be the primary backup to Ferrell, though his primary position will likely be 3T. Edited May 1, 2021 by 101Raider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 101Raider said: Agreed he was used wrong, but I donât  see anyone else on the roster at this point that would rotate schematically in that position.  Thing about Bradley is that man rotates the D-line continuously throughout the game. Itâs why Iâm guessing his totally content with fielding a large squad of good not great players (obviously he didnât really have choice with the weak draft and FA).  Philosophy is that his guys are going to be continually fresh and hungry as the o-line wears down over the course of the game. I standby the idea that Thomas is going to see a lot of 5T this year and be the primary backup to Ferrell, though his primary position will likely be 3T. Realistically if Abram doesn't play well at that position they're going to get somebody else next year. If he gets hurt this year I can also see David Irving playing that type of position. It doesn't necessarily have to be Solomon Thomas. Edited May 1, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, 101Raider said: Agreed he was used wrong, but I donât  see anyone else on the roster at this point that would rotate schematically in that position.  Thing about Bradley is that man rotates the D-line continuously throughout the game. Itâs why Iâm guessing his totally content with fielding a large squad of good not great players (obviously he didnât really have choice with the weak draft and FA).  Philosophy is that his guys are going to be continually fresh and hungry as the o-line wears down over the course of the game. I standby the idea that Thomas is going to see a lot of 5T this year and be the primary backup to Ferrell, though his primary position will likely be 3T. David Irving? Seems like a nice fit at that bigger end role and can also jump inside with length and power. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I think Thomas and Irving are going to be the keys to the DL making a significant leap. Weâve improved on the outside with Yannick, but we desperately need impact up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Honestly forgot about Irving. Heâd be good for the role too...  Maybe weâll see less of Thomas than I was thinking. Still think he forms some part of the rotation though.  Yes, Iâm stubborn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyghost Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: He has only played 1 year really at safety for us. I will give him this year with Bradley and the staff. If he can't make significant improvement, he's outta here. But you can't deny he has top tier physical talent for the position. Which is why I want to see what he can do this year. Again, if he can't get it done, I'm with you 100%. But I tend to give draft picks 3 years to fully evaluate them. I know, only 1 year. But man, what a bad year. This is very typical of our collective responses to our draft picks. Unfortunately good 1st rounders far more often than not hit the ground running as good players. It's an arc that they are on. Abram's arc is quite bad thus far. Top tier physical talent, along with hundreds of other NFLers. A very typical Raider thing. Translating that into top tier play is literally everyone's challenge. Put another way, if he was a Pro Bowler or even one in the making, a team typically wouldn't go anywhere near that position in the draft. We have 4 new faces overall. That says plenty, it literally says "overhaul". Overhauling a position you just drafted in the 1st round two years ago is trash drafting, we do it year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Just now, holyghost said: I know, only 1 year. But man, what a bad year. This is very typical of our collective responses to our draft picks. Unfortunately good 1st rounders far more often than not hit the ground running as good players. It's an arc that they are on. Abram's arc is quite bad thus far. Top tier physical talent, along with hundreds of other NFLers. A very typical Raider thing. Translating that into top tier play is literally everyone's challenge. Put another way, if he was a Pro Bowler or even one in the making, a team typically wouldn't go anywhere near that position in the draft. We have 4 new faces overall. That says plenty, it literally says "overhaul". Overhauling a position you just drafted in the 1st round two years ago is trash drafting, we do it year in and year out. I don't think Gillespie was drafted because of Abram. I think he was drafted because he is a really good football player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) Depth in the secondary is what Iâve been preaching all off-season. Glad to see it happen.  Abram was legitimately one of the worst safeties in the league (on that note, if Sanjitâs comment that he was our best defensive player doesnât convince you that heâs a complete tool, nothing will).  Leavitt hasnât been a factor. Heath wasnât impactful. If he didnât have the one INT against Mahomes nobody would even remember he played at all.  Joseph will probably replace Harris as the versatile backup, with Gillespie competing immediately for that role. One or both of them should be ready to take over for Abram too Edited May 1, 2021 by Turnobili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 15 hours ago, 101Raider said: Agreed he was used wrong, but I donât  see anyone else on the roster at this point that would rotate schematically in that position.  Thing about Bradley is that man rotates the D-line continuously throughout the game. Itâs why Iâm guessing his totally content with fielding a large squad of good not great players (obviously he didnât really have choice with the weak draft and FA).  Philosophy is that his guys are going to be continually fresh and hungry as the o-line wears down over the course of the game. I standby the idea that Thomas is going to see a lot of 5T this year and be the primary backup to Ferrell, though his primary position will likely be 3T. I think it will be Jefferson. He played there with Seattle. We won't be in base much though so you'll see Ngakoue and Crosby on the edges a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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