BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 W/ very limited draft picks, not sure why anyone is talking about drafting a QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Phidarian Mathis or Abraham Lucas at #86 please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 49 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: W/ very limited draft picks, not sure why anyone is talking about drafting a QB Ziegler brought it up during one of his interviews. I think he means in the near future (next year), not this year. I hope we don't waste a pick on a QB this draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Phidarian Mathis or Abraham Lucas at #86 please. Carter, Mathis, Smith LB for me at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: W/ very limited draft picks, not sure why anyone is talking about drafting a QB Hopefully he'll be a cost effective backup in 3 years, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Dessie said: Carter, Mathis, Smith LB for me at this point. I think Lucas goes in the 2nd, but would be very solid 3rd round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Hopefully he'll be a cost effective backup in 3 years, lol. I'd rather use those late picks to try to find someone who can help immediately lol. Will be interested to see how they tackle the draft with the limited resources we have. If they want to trade every pick to go get Jamo, **** it, I'm in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 hours ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: W/ very limited draft picks, not sure why anyone is talking about drafting a QB Well I said I saw Carson Strong falling into round 3, which whether or not you would draft a QB or specifically him, is a good value. Also, there are almost no QB 2s left on the FA market and we only have Gilbert, a USFL/XFL/etc level QB, on the roster besides Carr. Backup QBs can be expensive and we all seem to want to spend the remaining FA money we have on a DB, like Mathieu or Gilmore, or DT or RT. we finally have a coach who can competently develop and doesn’t have a Desire to not develop a QB. we haven’t drafted a QB to develop since Conor Cook in the 4th round of the 2016 draft and before him (excluding Carr- ‘14 2nd) Tyler Wilson (4th in 2013). Our drafting history on QBs is beyond ridiculous. there’s a massive salary cap incentive to have a rookie deal QB as the backup. A 3rd round pick will average 1.35m per year over 4 years while a good backup can cost 3.5-5m or more per year. I’m not even for drafting Strong in the 3rd. I merely brought up a topic for discussion, then replied to some Comments I felt were a little ridiculous. I don’t think Strong will be sacked and hurt his leg for the last time and have to retire on his first drop back nor does he suck, as at least one person said. I think he’s a decent prospect and a good value in round 3. Sadly, I don’t see any veteran options that are better for next year as a backup then Strong would be. If we did draft a QB in rounds 3-4 i’d ideally like to make them the 3rd QB and still sign a FA for QB2 for the first year. I also really don’t see any QBs I like After Strong in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Well I said I saw Carson Strong falling into round 3, which whether or not you would draft a QB or specifically him, is a good value. Also, there are almost no QB 2s left on the FA market and we only have Gilbert, a USFL/XFL/etc level QB, on the roster besides Carr. Backup QBs can be expensive and we all seem to want to spend the remaining FA money we have on a DB, like Mathieu or Gilmore, or DT or RT. we finally have a coach who can competently develop and doesn’t have a Desire to not develop a QB. we haven’t drafted a QB to develop since Conor Cook in the 4th round of the 2016 draft and before him (excluding Carr- ‘14 2nd) Tyler Wilson (4th in 2013). Our drafting history on QBs is beyond ridiculous. there’s a massive salary cap incentive to have a rookie deal QB as the backup. A 3rd round pick will average 1.35m per year over 4 years while a good backup can cost 3.5-5m or more per year. I’m not even for drafting Strong in the 3rd. I merely brought up a topic for discussion, then replied to some Comments I felt were a little ridiculous. I don’t think Strong will be sacked and hurt his leg for the last time and have to retire on his first drop back nor does he suck, as at least one person said. I think he’s a decent prospect and a good value in round 3. Sadly, I don’t see any veteran options that are better for next year as a backup then Strong would be. If we did draft a QB in rounds 3-4 i’d ideally like to make them the 3rd QB and still sign a FA for QB2 for the first year. I also really don’t see any QBs I like After Strong in this draft. I like strong but doesn’t seem 100% from that injury and imo it really messes with his throwing motion. If the medicals are good I could see him being brought in. Saw we looked into the James Madison qb cole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I like strong but doesn’t seem 100% from that injury and imo it really messes with his throwing motion. If the medicals are good I could see him being brought in. Saw we looked into the James Madison qb cole. Yeah. Last thing I want is an injured draft prospect with our 1st pick. I like but def don’t LOVE Strong. https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4028729/cole-johnson Cole Johnson is 6’5 215 and has a TD/INT ratio of 41/4 last year. It was a massive break out year, he really didn’t do much prior. https://www.draftdive.com/cole-johnson-scouting-report/ honestly I don’t know anything about the guy…. I don’t even remember seeing him on top 20 (Or whatever) QB rankings. But the guy has size and had a good season on paper. Maybe he’s a good UDFA choice to get on the PS for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 my 3rd/4th round target list WR: Calvin Ashley, Wu Robinson (I hope either one drop), Alec Pierce, Sky Moore, Jalen Tolbert (underrated), Khalil Shakur T: Faalele (if he somehow drops), Nick Petite Frere, Max Mitchell, Thayer Munford, Abraham Lucas, Rasheed Walker, G: Sean Rhyan Dylan Parham DE/Edge: ARNOLD EBIKETIE, NIK BONITTO, Sam Williams, JOSHUA PASCHAL, DOMINIQUE ROBINSON, Logan Hall, Cam Thomas, Zach Carter, Michael Clemmons, Chris Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Myjai Sanders, Drake Jackson, EYIOMA UWAZURIKE, John Ridgeway DT: PHIDARIAN MATHIS, PERRION WINFREY, Neil Farrell (class sucks) LB: Malcolm Rodriquez, CHANNING TINDALL, Chad Muma, Leo Chenal, AARON HANSFOR D, Troy Anderson, Brandon Smith, BRIAN ASAMOAH CB: Marcus Jones, JALYN ARMOUR-DAVIS, Coby Bryant, Josua Williams, ALONTAE TAYLOR, ZYON MCCOLLUM, TARIQ WOOLEN, Isaac Stewart Taylor, CORDALE FLOTT, MJ EMERSON, S: Bryan Cook, Nick Cross, Lewis Cine, JALEN PITRE, TYCEN ANDERSON, JT WOODS, VERONE MCKINLEY III, DELARRIN TURNER-YELL, PERCY BUTLER, DANE BELTON, Bubba Bolden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Well I said I saw Carson Strong falling into round 3, which whether or not you would draft a QB or specifically him, is a good value. Also, there are almost no QB 2s left on the FA market and we only have Gilbert, a USFL/XFL/etc level QB, on the roster besides Carr. Backup QBs can be expensive and we all seem to want to spend the remaining FA money we have on a DB, like Mathieu or Gilmore, or DT or RT. we finally have a coach who can competently develop and doesn’t have a Desire to not develop a QB. we haven’t drafted a QB to develop since Conor Cook in the 4th round of the 2016 draft and before him (excluding Carr- ‘14 2nd) Tyler Wilson (4th in 2013). Our drafting history on QBs is beyond ridiculous. there’s a massive salary cap incentive to have a rookie deal QB as the backup. A 3rd round pick will average 1.35m per year over 4 years while a good backup can cost 3.5-5m or more per year. I’m not even for drafting Strong in the 3rd. I merely brought up a topic for discussion, then replied to some Comments I felt were a little ridiculous. I don’t think Strong will be sacked and hurt his leg for the last time and have to retire on his first drop back nor does he suck, as at least one person said. I think he’s a decent prospect and a good value in round 3. Sadly, I don’t see any veteran options that are better for next year as a backup then Strong would be. If we did draft a QB in rounds 3-4 i’d ideally like to make them the 3rd QB and still sign a FA for QB2 for the first year. I also really don’t see any QBs I like After Strong in this draft. Why didn't any of the good teams in the NFL follow this strategy last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 We reportedly met with Isaiah Likely, TE from Coastal Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 Calvin Austin is probably the one WR that I wouldn't mind in the third round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I like strong but doesn’t seem 100% from that injury and imo it really messes with his throwing motion. If the medicals are good I could see him being brought in. Saw we looked into the James Madison qb cole. Strong hasn't really received any praise at all during the pre-draft process which doesn't bode well. I could still see a team taking him in the 2nd round somewhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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