Why didn't the 2002 Patriots repeat?

[RamblinMan99]

23 hours ago, Billy86 said:

Belichick is on 6 in his 21 years in NE while reaching another 3, while Noll had 4 in 22 years at Pittsburgh and didn't reach any others. 

And as you accidentally noted, Belichick managed this in the FA and salary cap era where it is universally accepted as much harder to sustain success. 

The last paragraph is just lol. The pick that Joe Montana went in in 1978 had been stripped from the Steelers... because of cheating. And that's before going into Terry Bradshaw admission of them being early pioneers of roiding. Glass houses, buddy.

First of all, that’s a sentence, not a paragraph, lol.  So, you can go back to first grade class whenever you feel like it.  
 

Second,  the “cheating” you’re referring to could not even compare to what Belichick’s Patriots did.  So, Pittsburgh in the 70s used pads when they weren’t supposed to?  Big deal.  
 

New England was actually spying on other teams for years.   That’s far more serious.  They automatically had the upper hand to go 16-0.  It’s profoundly ridiculous in pro football.  
 

Third,  steroids are always going to be a problem in the league.  They were then and they still are now.  The Steelers weren’t the only team that was using them.  And, New England’s been busted for them too on multiple occasions.  

[Apparition]

[biggie.]

On 5/14/2021 at 10:24 AM, RamblinMan99 said:

 Noll  >>> Bellycheck 

He drafted all of his players and won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years with the same team.  
 

Belichick had to recycle his players through the free agency and had multiple illegitimate seasons due to cheating.  

Wouldn't that STRENGTHEN BB's case as the GOAT coach since he can with completely different rosters?

Edited September 25, 2021 by biggie.

[childofpudding]

Just ignore him. Sour grapes angry troll just trying to derail.

Thread pretty much ended with Starless' post anyway

Edited May 16, 2021 by childofpudding

[biggie.]

I'd chalk it up to SB hangover. We didn't become the feared dynasty until 2003.

[jofos]

I would just say that it's hard to win back to back super bowls. It has only happened 8 times. 

I also would like to say that I think its funny that people always say the Patriots cheated and were spying on other teams, when they got in trouble for filming from the wrong location. The filming part was fine it was just they were in the wrong spot. The wrong pad thing was actually practicing in pads at a May rookie camp, which also had 15 veterans there. You can also add Crampgate (2012) Tarpgate (1976) Salarycapgate (2000){lost a 3rd round pick} Steroidgate (1970-2007) Impedegate (2013) to the Steelers' list of accomplishments. But none of these were responsible for the Patriots failure to repeat in 2002.

[Apparition]

cheating in pro sports is cool and good and there should be more of it

[jofos]

9 hours ago, Starless said:

cheating in pro sports is cool and good and there should be more of it

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[43M]

On 5/13/2021 at 7:59 PM, RamblinMan99 said:

Because they weren’t the 70s Steelers 

 

And never will be.

Im becoming more and more convinced that you are, in fact, Mark Madden.

And before you take that as a compliment as Im sure Madden would...it isn't.

It really REALLY isn't.

Edited May 17, 2021 by 43M

[SkippyX]

On 5/14/2021 at 10:24 AM, RamblinMan99 said:

 Noll  >>> Bellycheck 

He drafted all of his players and won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years with the same team.  
 

Belichick had to recycle his players through the free agency and had multiple illegitimate seasons due to cheating.  

Noll did not draft anyone. They had a President/GM, **** Haley and a supreme scout in Bill Nunn.

Noll was the coach and he did a great job winning 4 and only 4 Super Bowls.

Belichick was the mastermind of the defenses that went to 11 Super Bowls and won 8.

Belichick actually drafted his Patriots teams including Brady. He had input from lots of people but he was far more in charge of the draft than Noll ever was.

 

Thinking 4 SBs is better than 8 is a fundamental logic failure. Its a really bad look.

Edited May 17, 2021 by SkippyX

[Danger]

6 > 4 

[SkippyX]

Noll was 93-84 with 2 playoff wins over his last 12 seasons.

• That's a nobody. 2-6 in the playoffs?

He was 86-97-1 without Bradshaw. Again, that's a nobody.

• He was a great coach over a decade and a nobody outside of that.

Belichick?

• He won 2 SBs in the 80s.
  • Joe Montana was his gimp in the 1985, 1986, and 1990 playoffs.
• He went to a SB in the 90s.
• He won 3 SBs and went to 4 in the 00's
• He won 3 SBs and went to 5 in the 10's

Chuck Noll is nothing compared to that.

[SkippyX]

Noll was a part of 7 Conference Championship Games:  4-3

Belichick was a part of 16 Conference Championship games: 11-5

Edited May 17, 2021 by SkippyX

[43M]

2 hours ago, Danger said:

6 > 4 

 

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Noll was a part of 7 Conference Championship Games:  4-3

Belichick was a part of 16 Conference Championship games: 11-5

Please dont encourage him, as if his argument has any merit.

Even if there was a good argument to be made....he isnt capable of making it.  

[TecmoSuperJoe]

The AFC East was really competitive in 2002 with the 8-8 Bills being in last place. The Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets all had winning records with the Jets winning the three way 9-7 tiebreaker. Patriots I'm guessing had a harder schedule also that year, and just fell back to Earth a tad big. That 2001 championship squad wasn't exactly a powerhouse. The very next season in 2003 is when the true ongoing dominance started.