SkippyX Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Just now, biggie. said: Namath entered the league already on busted knees. COaches, including Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick, all praise him as a passer. Was he the absolute best QB of his era? No. Does he deserve his Hall of Fame spot? Yes. He's in the HoF for his mouth and then his team backing it up. He played well. Snell was the MVP. End of Story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BakeSpeaks said: He has 7 TDS in 2 years with the browns. And 6 in his partial season with the rams. That feels like thriving to me. His best game came last week against the niners. man....hes averaging 3 catches for 39 yards a game as a Ram. In a top 10 pass happy offense as a starter. The TDs are a biproduct of offensive styles between the Browns/Rams when they are in scoring position. IDK what peoples definition of thriving is, but 3/39 a game for over half a season aint it and 1 good game in the playoffs doesnt erase 3 years of bad play. I havent seen this much irrational support for a player since the Seahawks gave Josh Gordon his 15th chance in the league based off what he did 9 years ago. Edited February 4, 2022 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: man....hes averaging 3 catches for 39 yards a game as a Ram. In a top 10 pass happy offense as a starter. The TDs are a biproduct of offensive styles between the Browns/Rams when they are in scoring position. IDK what peoples definition of thriving is, but 3/39 a game for over half a season aint it and 1 good game in the playoffs doesnt erase 3 years of bad play. I havent seen this much irrational support for a player since the Seahawks gave Josh Gordon his 15th chance in the league based off what he did 9 years ago. He’s had to learn a much more complex playbook though..That and after years of being a broken WR he’s had to build his confidence up. Every day Matthew tells him that he’s beautiful and confident. I don’t even care about the yards. Odell is super clutch at pass catching, holy ish does he have some mittens. Dude legit plucks the ball out the air, I’ve never seen a WR do that. The only closest WR I can remember is Brandon Lloyd. Just a special pass catcher, we lose the Ravens game without Odell. Homey can get open too and come up with clutch catches. Every catch against the Niners was crucial in extending the drive. Dudes been phenomenal and he’s been a great teammate! Which is the most surprising thing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Titus Young had a bunch of TDs in 2011 and 2012 (10 total) when everyone was trying to stop Megatron. Congrats to OBJ for being a Titus Young upgrade. Not sure how anyone flexes for him about this though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 40 minutes ago, SkippyX said: Titus Young had a bunch of TDs in 2011 and 2012 (10 total) when everyone was trying to stop Megatron. Congrats to OBJ for being a Titus Young upgrade. Not sure how anyone flexes for him about this though. I don’t care. But he’s been clutch and he’s still explosive off his cuts. Great hands. Wish him luck moving forward. I’m just shocked that he’s been a good teammate and not a diva. When we got him I was scared he would create a “toxic environment”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, El Ramster said: I don’t care. But he’s been clutch and he’s still explosive off his cuts. Great hands. Wish him luck moving forward. I’m just shocked that he’s been a good teammate and not a diva. When we got him I was scared he would create a “toxic environment”. Yes, he has been the opposite of Antonio Brown (or Cleveland OBJ) in LA. If he was not a good fit it would have been bad news with Woods getting hurt once he showed up. He's good. Its just that nothing about his play means he was somehow repressed in Cleveland. He was just like Moss in Oakland, dogging it and not caring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Colin Kaepernick. Forget the protest heat for a second, and just look at his play style. A lot of people were ready to question his effectiveness as a QB before the protest thing came about. Dude was Lamar Jackson/Kyler Murray built to last. Had someone really taken the shot at him and tailored an offense to his strengths instead of trying to shoehorn him into being a more traditional QB, I think he becomes one of the most feared QBs in the league. For a short minute, he was, but mostly because of the "potential he had if he cleaned up his mechanics". People still fear Jackson, and his mechanics are even worse. Kaepernick wasn't feared as much, because the league didn't even know what to be scared of with him on the field yet. Offenses just hadn't evolved that much yet. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakeSpeaks Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: man....hes averaging 3 catches for 39 yards a game as a Ram. In a top 10 pass happy offense as a starter. The TDs are a biproduct of offensive styles between the Browns/Rams when they are in scoring position. IDK what peoples definition of thriving is, but 3/39 a game for over half a season aint it and 1 good game in the playoffs doesnt erase 3 years of bad play. I havent seen this much irrational support for a player since the Seahawks gave Josh Gordon his 15th chance in the league based off what he did 9 years ago. Obviously as a browns fan your viewpoint on him is tainted. But having the same number of TDs in less than a season Vs 2.5 Seasons is significant. Not to mention the fact that he did that with a midseason team change. Sure you can argue that Baker Mayfield is just not good, and thats the difference. And I wouldn't argue with you, but to believe that he just lost all talent when he went to Cleveland is absurd. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 David Boston for 2 years. Dude was a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, BakeSpeaks said: Obviously as a browns fan your viewpoint on him is tainted. But having the same number of TDs in less than a season Vs 2.5 Seasons is significant. Not to mention the fact that he did that with a midseason team change. Sure you can argue that Baker Mayfield is just not good, and thats the difference. And I wouldn't argue with you, but to believe that he just lost all talent when he went to Cleveland is absurd. i could argue that sure, but he wasnt particularly good in his previous 2years in new york either, or his 2 years in cleveland or his 1/2 year in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Colin Kaepernick. Forget the protest heat for a second, and just look at his play style. A lot of people were ready to question his effectiveness as a QB before the protest thing came about. Dude was Lamar Jackson/Kyler Murray built to last. Had someone really taken the shot at him and tailored an offense to his strengths instead of trying to shoehorn him into being a more traditional QB, I think he becomes one of the most feared QBs in the league. For a short minute, he was, but mostly because of the "potential he had if he cleaned up his mechanics". People still fear Jackson, and his mechanics are even worse. Kaepernick wasn't feared as much, because the league didn't even know what to be scared of with him on the field yet. Offenses just hadn't evolved that much yet. Who? He is the most understood player in NFL history. The league understood his limited skillset to 4-20 in his last 24. We understood he hates Thanksgiving. We understood his girlfriend's memes We understood his lawsuit and settlement (except for those who don't get that a settlement is always just money to go away) We understood when his buddy Eric Reid yelled at owners in a meeting and later assaulted Malcom Jenkins We understood when Kaep compared the NFL combine to slave auctions. (and doubled down at the start of his weird TV show) We understood his interests are in activism and selling shoes. Edited February 4, 2022 by SkippyX 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakeSpeaks Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: i could argue that sure, but he wasnt particularly good in his previous 2years in new york either, or his 2 years in cleveland or his 1/2 year in LA He played 12 games in 2018 and was top 15 in WR yards. Im convinced you didn't watch that season, and are making stuff up. The other year he was injured for almost the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, SkippyX said: Who? He is the most understood player in NFL history. The league understood his limited skillset to 4-20 in his last 24. We understood he hates Thanksgiving. We understood his girlfriend's memes We understood his lawsuit and settlement (except for those who don't get that a settlement is always just money to go away) We understood when his buddy Eric Reid yelled at owners in a meeting and later assaulted Malcom Jenkins We understood when Kaep compared the NFL combine to slave auctions. (and doubled down at the start of his weird TV show) We understood his interests are in activism and selling shoes. forgive me for the backseat modding but don't do this man, like i'm a deranged socialist and love talking politics as much as the next guy but literally the second sentence out of the post you quoted limited the discussion to strictly about what he did on the field 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shady Slim said: forgive me for the backseat modding but don't do this man, like i'm a deranged socialist and love talking politics as much as the next guy but literally the second sentence out of the post you quoted limited the discussion to strictly about what he did on the field He took the league by storm on the field in a Greg Roman offense supported by a solid run game and a great D. His team left their window. He left his. Everything else happened after. He was not underused or misunderstood as a player. He was not before his time. No on-field tragedy happened and we did not miss out on anything on the field. Edited February 4, 2022 by SkippyX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Just now, SkippyX said: He took the league by storm on the field in a Greg Roman offense supported by a solid run game and a great D. His team left their window. He left his. Everything else happened after. He was not underused or misunderstood as a player. He was not before his time. No on-field tragedy happened and we did not miss out on anything on the field. this is a post relevant to thread and ronjon's post so can be engaged with right there in your first sentence you have described Lamar Jackson: i think that kaep had all the tools to in the right system catered to him be an excellent quarterback, and if a quarterback with his exact skillset came through college right now i think a lot of teams would be swarming - i reckon that ronjon's suggestion that guys like him (and also, if we are on this path, RGIII), were just too ahead of their time and teams didn't know how to sustainably succeed with quarterbacks who aren't perfect in the pocket but can extend plays with their legs and be a dual-threat - look at what josh allen is doing now! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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