Tightspiral7 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) Rank them - in terms of peak, and in terms of greatness. I have a feeling most will agree that Farve/Marino peaked higher than Elway. Does John belong over both in greatness, however? Edited February 12, 2022 by Tightspiral7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) Marino had the highest peak. When accounting for the times, that 1984 season was unbelievable. In overall greatness, it's hard to put either over Elway. Say what you want for Elway's Broncos ****ting the bed in those first three Super Bowls, it's still an accomplishment especially with those weaker offenses. Edited February 13, 2022 by biggie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Give me Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Marino Favre Elway barring I watched 7 seasons of Favre and 0 combined games of Marino or Elway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, FinneasGage said: Marino Favre Elway barring I watched 7 seasons of Favre and 0 combined games of Marino or Elway I have them in the same order and I got to see them all play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 I'd take Favre if were comparing careers. If it's a "what if" they played today, then I might go Marino in hopes of matching him with a Elite HC, If the gaudy numbers he put up in '84 can transfer to day than I see GOAT like career arc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Marino Favre Elway Pretty straight forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdonnelly21 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Favre was more accomplished while also being a comparable thrower of the football. I looked at Marinos stats outside of his 84 season and they aren't that great TBH. He had a great arm, and I think that slightly overrates his career even statistically. Favre won 3 MVP's in a row which is almost impossible these days. Give me Favre Marino Elway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Marino had the highest single season peak, but lacked in the playoffs and stats outside of his first several years starting. Just 1 MVP and no rings. But he was in a not so great situation for most of his career. Favre had the highest peak for a set of years in a row (three straight MVPs) and by 1998 his playoff stats and legacy was among the best. Though after 1998 he sort of became the opposite in the playoffs, and this guy also threw ints left and right. Not to be trusted in big moments. Still three MVPs and a ring with an extra appearance is nice, even if he was an inconsistent mess after the late 90s. Elway has overall the worst stats of the two, and even at his peak he didn't quite look great. He was in an offensive system that wasn't conducive to pretty stats, but he was the leader of some Super Bowl teams that did lack much on offense. He also has an AP MVP award (granted Rice had more TDs than him that season) and he does have 5 appearances with 2 victories (though they cheated the salary cap) Favre had the cleanest career overall (good stats at the peak, ring, multiple MVPs) and he is highly talented (in fact all 3 are very talented QBs in general), but I feel if I were to pick one to start a team I likely would put Favre last. Elway and Marino I would feel slightly more comfortable starting a random team with. Get them in the right system, tailored to their skill set I would feel more comfortable with them overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tightspiral7 Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, NeptunePenguins said: Marino had the highest single season peak, but lacked in the playoffs and stats outside of his first several years starting. Just 1 MVP and no rings. But he was in a not so great situation for most of his career. Favre had the highest peak for a set of years in a row (three straight MVPs) and by 1998 his playoff stats and legacy was among the best. Though after 1998 he sort of became the opposite in the playoffs, and this guy also threw ints left and right. Not to be trusted in big moments. Still three MVPs and a ring with an extra appearance is nice, even if he was an inconsistent mess after the late 90s. Elway has overall the worst stats of the two, and even at his peak he didn't quite look great. He was in an offensive system that wasn't conducive to pretty stats, but he was the leader of some Super Bowl teams that did lack much on offense. He also has an AP MVP award (granted Rice had more TDs than him that season) and he does have 5 appearances with 2 victories (though they cheated the salary cap) Favre had the cleanest career overall (good stats at the peak, ring, multiple MVPs) and he is highly talented (in fact all 3 are very talented QBs in general), but I feel if I were to pick one to start a team I likely would put Favre last. Elway and Marino I would feel slightly more comfortable starting a random team with. Get them in the right system, tailored to their skill set I would feel more comfortable with them overall. I certainly trust Farve last if the game's on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 7:50 PM, mdonnelly21 said: I looked at Marinos stats outside of his 84 season and they aren't that great TBH. He had a great arm, and I think that slightly overrates his career even statistically. Strong disagree. His 84-86 peak is legendary. Saying his 86 season isn't that great when he threw for 44 TDs and 4700 yards is crazy. Given the league averages at the time, those are insane numbers. If you look at advanced stats such as DYAR, you can see he is pretty much a top QB for his entire career. 1987: 2nd 1988: 1st 1989: 6th 1990: 2nd 1991: 4th 1992: 2nd 1993: Injured 1994: 2nd 1995: 11th 1996: 3rd (1st in DVOA) 1997: 1st 1998: 11th So 6 out of 12 of these years he is top 1 or 2. 8 out 12 years he is top 4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Tightspiral7 said: I certainly trust Farve last if the game's on the line. Even though Favre had possibly the greatest last second throw in the history of the sport vs the 49ers in 2009. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Marino averaged 36 TDs a year his first 4 years and then 21 the rest of his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 This isn’t much of a debate, Favre was the better QB of these three. Heck, Steve Young is better than Marino and Elway. Favre > Young > Elway > Marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Strong disagree. His 84-86 peak is legendary. Saying his 86 season isn't that great when he threw for 44 TDs and 4700 yards is crazy. Given the league averages at the time, those are insane numbers. If you look at advanced stats such as DYAR, you can see he is pretty much a top QB for his entire career. 1987: 2nd 1988: 1st 1989: 6th 1990: 2nd 1991: 4th 1992: 2nd 1993: Injured 1994: 2nd 1995: 11th 1996: 3rd (1st in DVOA) 1997: 1st 1998: 11th So 6 out of 12 of these years he is top 1 or 2. 8 out 12 years he is top 4. Marino was a turnover machine and largely considered an idiot, even by some of his coaches. Turnovers are part of the game. You can shoot me all the bulk stats you want…. Marino scored a 16 on the wonderlic test, mind bogglingly low. Only a handful of successful starting QB’s have scored under 20. Lamar is one that comes to mind. And Jim Kelly. But overall, successful QB’s with a score under 20 is rare. Marino sucked at reading disguise defenses. Edited February 14, 2022 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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