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Who's higher on your all time list: Jim Brown or Walter Payton


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Who's higher on your all time list: Jim Brown or Walter Payton   

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  1. 1. Who's higher on your all time list: Jim Brown or Walter Payton

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I love everything about Walter Payton.

Jim Brown was as talented as any RB who ever played and he was as big as offensive linemen.

He stopped compiling because NFL owners actually owned players back then so he went to Hollywood to get what he was worth at age 30.

You could say Jim Brown was a bold man.

Look at all those stats in bold.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm

 

Brown had 126 TDs in 118 regular season games played. (Rice had 102 at 118 games played)

He was 1st team all-pro in 8 of 9 seasons. (Payton was 5 in 13 but 8 in 13 for 1st or 2nd team all-pro)

  • Note: 2nd team all-pro was not a thing until about the merger so Brown had no shot in 1962 since it did not exist.
    • He was probably #2 anyway with 1500+ total yards and 18 TDs. (Taylor had 1496 yards and 19 TDs but way more rushing yards)

He won 3 MVPs and finished 2nd or 3rd in voting 3 more times, in 9 seasons.

His regular season career was like playoff Terrell Davis but for 118 games instead of 8.

He averaged 104.3 rushing yards per game. Only Barry Sanders and Terrell Davis are within 10 yards of him.

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18 hours ago, AngusMcFife said:

Jim Brown is arguably the most dominant NFL player of all time. 

Jim Brown in his Era is just like Wilt Chamberlain for his IMO.

While Brown would of still been great in any Era (let me be clear), the fact he was rushing against DL and LB's he "outweighed" in many instances seems to always get lost when discussing his overall dominance. 

It's easier to run over and through defenders when your of similar size and weight and are light years faster. 1957 thru 1965

 

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1940-1959: Defensive Lineman

Average height: 6 feet, 3 inches

Average weight: 236 pounds

Top players: Gino Marchetti, Art Donovan, Andy Robustelli, Arnie Weinmeister, Leo Nomellini

Bottom line: As the passing game further evolved, the 5-3 defense gave way to the standard 4-3 defense. Teams replaced a defensive lineman with a defensive back, which obviously added more team speed to the overall unit.

With two-way players still prevalent but not necessarily mandatory, many defensive linemen such as the Colts’ Gino Marchetti dabbled on the offensive line for a year just to see what worked and what didn’t work when going up against pass rushers

 

 

 

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1960-1979: Defensive Lineman

Average height: 6 feet, 2 inches

Average weight: 255 pounds

Top players: Joe Greene, Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Jack Youngblood, Bob Lilly

Bottom line: Toward the end of the 1970s, another defensive revolution hit the NFL. That was the 3-4 defense.

The linemen in those formations were a little bigger than those in a 4-3 formation. With one fewer lineman, there needed to be more girth for those with their hands in the dirt. 

 

 

 

Jim Brown was by far, ahead of his time!

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  • 2 weeks later...

Barry Sanders is the RB GOAT imo, closely followed by Jim Brown. Sanders had the best 10 year in a row stretch of possibly any skill position ever. And honestly I’d probably put O.J. at #3 ahead of Payton. Dude was absurd. Yeah, murdering piece of human filth, but that’s not what we are measuring here. Might of had the best four year prime of anyone, of any position. 

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