MrOaktown_56 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 Aaron donalds. Could rush 2 and probably still would get pressure lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Chargers said: Nope. Having 2 lockdown CBs makes a world of difference. Especially against Elite QBs. Elite secondary plus good pass rush = 2015 Broncos or 2013 Seahawks. Flip the description around for the 2015 Broncos. It’s obvious that secondary wouldn’t be that highly thought of without Ware & mainly the elite play of Von. Your Chargers are a good example of a smaller scale. Good secondary talent, but QBs were able to move the ball with relative ease since Bosa was the only one out there that could provide a consistent pass-rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 If you had 2 TJ Watts, you could have 6 Eli Apples in the backfield and you'd still have a top 5 pass defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 The team with two Trent Williams is the only one that probably is somewhat fine against the two TJ Watt team lol. Depending on what I had as replacement levels its Trent or TJ to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 15 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: A decade ago, maybe. Miller hasn’t been remotely close to TJ’s level for a year now. Donald doesn’t cover the gap on Watt that Watt has on Von. Could not disagree more. If you compare Miller and Watt once Von joined the Rams, he was right there with him. AD is very obviously and easily better than Watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 15 hours ago, ClutchDJ said: Your previous post should’ve gave you more of a reason of going two Watts over two Ramseys, lol. The scheme can be exotic & insane as possible, it’s not going to matter without a pass-rush, which we both know. What is two Ramseys really gonna do if the QB has 10 hours to throw? Honestly, he would be last on this list for me. That’s not really an indictment of his own ability, but more so how the offenses have sooooo many advantages it’s insane. Two Watts > Two Trents > Two Kupps > Two Ramseys for me. The OP said the rest of the team is solid. So take the Bengals defense as an example, because to me they're the definition of solid. Give them two Watts, and Eli Apple still gets obliterated non stop. Give them two Ramseys, and Sam Hubbard has 14 sacks and is an all pro. All you have to do is look at Rams CBs not named Ramsey this year. They had AD and Miller for half the season and the playoffs and still got beat quite a bit. Ramsey is almost unique in NFL history. How many players had elite cover skills but can hit and tackle like a LB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FrantikRam said: If you compare Miller and Watt once Von joined the Rams, he was right there with him. EDIT: Before the stats argument comes in (which still falls short), why do you think that is? Could it be for the same reason Fowler produces with the Rams and does nothing in Atlanta? Could it be for the same reason Leonard Floyd looks like a good starter instead of borderline backup? Donald opens up those pass rushers and will do so with the next guys too. People love to cut their nose to spite their face around here. Von hasn’t been the caliber of player Watt currently is for a long time now. Edited February 21, 2022 by Yin-Yang 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Two Watt's. Nothing else should have a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 No love for Cooper Kupp even after one of the best recieving seasons of all time? Would a WR duo that seemingly can always be open create a dominant offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, viking said: No love for Cooper Kupp even after one of the best recieving seasons of all time? Would a WR duo that seemingly can always be open create a dominant offense? Still need to get the ball to them, and having a bad QB, bad OL, or both, can prevent you from doing that. WRs are a dependent position, but elite pass rushers are almost entirely independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Watt and Watt, Pass Rushers win titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne 9er Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 You have your 2 TJs but how good would they be against 2TWs? Your TWs would give the QB all kinds of time which would elevate Kupp and diminish any CBs chances. Also makes the run game better which can nullify the pass rusher. So 2 Trents for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 53 minutes ago, Melbourne 9er said: You have your 2 TJs but how good would they be against 2TWs? Your TWs would give the QB all kinds of time which would elevate Kupp and diminish any CBs chances. Also makes the run game better which can nullify the pass rusher. So 2 Trents for me. Yep two Williams shut two Watts down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: EDIT: Before the stats argument comes in (which still falls short), why do you think that is? Could it be for the same reason Fowler produces with the Rams and does nothing in Atlanta? Could it be for the same reason Leonard Floyd looks like a good starter instead of borderline backup? Donald opens up those pass rushers and will do so with the next guys too. People love to cut their nose to spite their face around here. Von hasn’t been the caliber of player Watt currently is for a long time now. The problem is assuming Watt is closer to Donald than Miller. Watt got to play next to an all pro all year. Obviously not Donald, but Watt has still had that benefit. I agree Von isn't on Watts level though - but he's closer to Watt than Watt is to Donald. I wouldn't even think about trading AD and Miller for two Watts for a single season. Hell I may not even trade AD for two Watts for just a single season, because as you point out, AD would make any EDGE rusher good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 hours ago, ClutchDJ said: Flip the description around for the 2015 Broncos. It’s obvious that secondary wouldn’t be that highly thought of without Ware & mainly the elite play of Von. Your Chargers are a good example of a smaller scale. Good secondary talent, but QBs were able to move the ball with relative ease since Bosa was the only one out there that could provide a consistent pass-rush. The Seahawks are an example of what two Ramseys may be like, and they're the best modern defense in league history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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