thrILL! Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, THE DUKE said: I mean, really he is young enough to where they could start fresh with him in the role, although, you'd have to ditch the concentration camp survivor portion of his backstory. He can't have existing in the past of the MCU and been completely unknown. Same thing with the Fantastic 4. Going to need some fresh origin stories. You cannot abandon that part. It’s absolutely crucial to his story (and mutants overall) and and all these characters have backstories that need to be dealt with . Granted, it’s going to be tricky to integrate both universes but it can be done without comprising elements. They just need a storyline where there’s some kind of multiversal bleed of realities. Mr. Peabody & Sherman the movie handled a storyline where the timestream was a mess and different ppl from different eras were all thrown together. Other films have done similar premises. It could be a blueprint for what brings in the X-Men and FF and they essentially become one universe at the conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, theJ said: Plus...they aren't affiliated with Fox. I'm sure there are legal issues tying into another companies set of movies. And there's really no motivation for Disney to go there, because it just incentivizes people to shovel over money to FOX. I don't think i have to explain to anyone why they wouldn't want that. Did you miss the whole mega news about Disney owning Fox and all their movies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Did you miss the whole mega news about Disney owning Fox and all their movies? Apparently? So when will Spiderman hit disney+ then? I still think it makes more sense to start new. More money to be made with new than recycling old stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, theJ said: Apparently? So when will Spiderman hit disney+ then? I still think it makes more sense to start new. More money to be made with new than recycling old stuff. Spiderman is Sony, so it wont. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_21st_Century_Fox_by_Disney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Spiderman is Sony, so it wont. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_21st_Century_Fox_by_Disney I can't keep any of this straight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcFinest9erFan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Deadpulse said: If he is reprising his role as Quicksilver it is dumb. If he is playing, say, Mephisto, I'm pumped. I'll disagree only because if they new marvel theme is multiple universes then it makes sense for him to return as Quicksliver. Maybe since her bro is dead, dead; she ends up bringing that version of quicksilver back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, NcFinest9erFan said: I'll disagree only because if they new marvel theme is multiple universes then it makes sense for him to return as Quicksliver. Maybe since her bro is dead, dead; she ends up bringing that version of quicksilver back. Which means the entire convoluted and mostly bad Fox Xmen universe exists and the very first MCU mutant is from that universe. No thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 10:08 AM, Deadpulse said: Which means the entire convoluted and mostly bad Fox Xmen universe exists and the very first MCU mutant is from that universe. No thanks. Mostly bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 9 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Mostly bad? The latest two entries were mediocre at best. While the quality may be debatable, he is right that its a convoluted mess, and I see no reason NOT to start over with a fresh take. I don't care either way. The MCU looks pretty blah going forward. If it werent for the XMens eventual involvement, Id be completely checked out after Endgame. If they just import the Fox X-Verse, my interest will be much lower. I want to see a fresh start for XMen. That is literally the ONLY reason I was happy Disney got the Fox licenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: The latest two entries were mediocre at best. Okay...? By my count, 8/12 were good to great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Okay...? By my count, 8/12 were good to great. And? The most recent movies are far more indicative of the current state of the franchise than movies made 5 to 20 years ago. Like I said, regardless of how anyone feels about the quality of the franchise, the timeline is an absolute dumpster fire, many of the top actors are done with the franchise, and the last two movies were pretty mediocre by most fans standards. If Disney took over after First Class or DoFP, I couldve seen it. At this point, I see zero benefit to keeping that same universe going. Its not going in any positive direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 7 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: And? The most recent movies are far more indicative of the current state of the franchise than movies made 5 to 20 years ago. So The Godfather trilogy is mostly bad then, right? I mean the most recent one wasn't very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 21 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Mostly bad? I'd be more than happy to deep dive my opinion: X-Men (2000) - mediocre at best X2 (2003) - good X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - straight trash X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - straight trash X-Men: First Class (2011) - good The Wolverine (2013) - mediocre at best X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - very good X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) - bad Logan (2017) - the best Dark Phoenix (2019) - bad The best film in this list is very much stand alone and draws on their only character worth a damn in 20 years of films. However, it took them THREE tries to get to it from straight trash with Origins, to mediocre at best with The Wolverine, to finally killing it with Logan. The original X-Men flick would be a universal flop in today's saturated hero market. You can argue it's not fair to compare or that it needs to be given points for kickstarting the super genre, I will argue that lack of holding up to the test of time cancels out such points. It is mediocre at best and I honestly don't enjoy watching it anymore. First class was good, and it still holds up pretty well, but it starts this trend of making this series of films convoluted AF. If this was a straight reboot instead of a restart, it'd be better IMO. Days of Future Past doubles down by including the original actors and then makes it more and more and more and more confusing. You can accept it but it says something when the 2nd best movie in the series makes all that came before it just a little worse on rewatch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: I'd be more than happy to deep dive my opinion: X-Men (2000) - mediocre at best X2 (2003) - good X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - straight trash X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - straight trash X-Men: First Class (2011) - good The Wolverine (2013) - mediocre at best X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - very good X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) - bad Logan (2017) - the best Dark Phoenix (2019) - bad I disagree with X-Men and The Wolverine. While I'm not going to say either are incredible or anything, both are better than the average MCU movie. The Wolverine's 3rd act is definitely disappointing, though. 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: The best film in this list is very much stand alone and draws on their only character worth a damn in 20 years of films. However, it took them THREE tries to get to it from straight trash with Origins, to mediocre at best with The Wolverine, to finally killing it with Logan. The original X-Men flick would be a universal flop in today's saturated hero market. You can argue it's not fair to compare or that it needs to be given points for kickstarting the super genre, I will argue that lack of holding up to the test of time cancels out such points. It is mediocre at best and I honestly don't enjoy watching it anymore. First class was good, and it still holds up pretty well, but it starts this trend of making this series of films convoluted AF. If this was a straight reboot instead of a restart, it'd be better IMO. Days of Future Past doubles down by including the original actors and then makes it more and more and more and more confusing. You can accept it but it says something when the 2nd best movie in the series makes all that came before it just a little worse on rewatch. X-Men still holds up fine for me. I agree the timeline got way convoluted, but that doesn't erase the quality of the individual movies themselves since the only 2 movies that it really affects are two poor movies in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. You also need to include Deadpool and Deadpool 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: You also need to include Deadpool and Deadpool 2. I really dont. You can if you want, but they are not X-Men movies in my mind and aren't going to be apart of this discussion as it pertains to including them in the MCU as they stand. We already know Deadpool will be separate and will continue with a third under the house of mouse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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