Jaguars trade WR Shenault to Panthers

[BayRaider]

I remember when the combine happened and Viska ran a 4.59 and everyone is like “butttt he ran it injured!!!!” lol… who’s leaking he ran it injured to the publications? His agent, duhhh. If he was really that injured and felt he was gonna run a bad time, he wouldn’t have ran. I don’t know why fans always fall for these “clean up” stories. Viska wasn’t very fast in his game tape either. Viska’s style of WR is a YAC guy. Not a premium route runner, contested catch, or deep guy. A YAC guy. And to be a YAC in the NFL, you need a lot better than 4.59 speed. 

[JaguarCrazy2832]

what did we get?

[.Buzz]

1 minute ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

what did we get?

 

[NudeTayne]

5 minutes ago, .Buzz said:

 

If he was really on the edge of a cut then that is a decent return.

[thebestever6]

I loved him in college and his first year you definitely saw flashes but he's been a dud ever since. When Chark went down last year I grabbed him in every league I was in and he burned me. Still rooting for him to figure it out though. 

[Soko]

1 hour ago, BayRaider said:

Ehhhh difference is Viska is slow as dirt. Brown has 4.4 speed, Deebo 4.3 speed. 

Eh, not really. Deebo’s closer to 4.5 flat than 4.3 flat. Same with Brown. People forget that 4.5 is still a good speed for a receiver. 

Shenault seems even slower though. Dude biggest difference, even with the lack of explosion compared to those two, is that AJB and Samuel are actually just good at football. If Shenault had the same vision as Deebo and same hands/route running as AJB, he’d probably be a fine slot receiver.

[.Buzz]

 

[LinderFournette]

I think shenault would be best served as playing a RB role.   

Things he's clearly not good at:

1) running routes.

2) catching passes.

 

Things he's good at:

1) breaking tackles. 

[EvilenFroggen]

Championship 

[NudeTayne]

20 minutes ago, EvilenFroggen said:

Championship 

 

Sincerely,

Matt Rhule

[SteelKing728]

23 hours ago, BayRaider said:

This trade speaks to how terrible Terrace Marshall is. What a huge bust.

What happened to him?

[Soko]

On 8/29/2022 at 7:55 PM, BayRaider said:

And to be a YAC in the NFL, you need a lot better than 4.59 speed. 

Jarvis Landry says hi. 

What you need is vision, hands, and the ability to get open despite your speed.

[Tugboat]

On 8/29/2022 at 7:05 PM, Yin-Yang said:

Eh, not really. Deebo’s closer to 4.5 flat than 4.3 flat. Same with Brown. People forget that 4.5 is still a good speed for a receiver. 

Shenault seems even slower though. Dude biggest difference, even with the lack of explosion compared to those two, is that AJB and Samuel are actually just good at football. If Shenault had the same vision as Deebo and same hands/route running as AJB, he’d probably be a fine slot receiver.

 

I still think there's a coach out there somewhere, who could get something out of Shenault.  There's ability there.  It's just such an awkward "tweener" skillset in every way, that it doesn't make sense in any "traditional" role, or even any version of the "hybrid" roles we're seeing more of these days.

 

Biggest thing with Shenault, is that he came out of college very late for such an "raw ball of clay", and he also doesn't have a lot of super explosive athletic skills per se.  But...he does have a bulldozer quality and YAC potential with tenacity that is rare from a slot receiver.  He's one of those "answer in search of a question" sort of bizarre skillsets that can absolute ball out and flash bigtime potential in college...but then not really fit easily in an NFL role.

 

Like, i feel like he's almost closer to a Trey Burton role than a Deebo...but then, if Dougie Pederson can't make that happen, i don't know who else could.  He also doesn't have that kind of blocking experience coming out.  Which is the big thing with Shenault type players.  If they don't land with a coach who can define their "niche role" quickly and start to hone it, they tend to just sorta bounce around being bad at like 8 different things and never refining any of them in a focused way.  Trying to shape their offseason training for their body in a dozen directions at once.  Shenault landing in the rolling dumpster fire Jaguars was probably the absolute worst possible thing for his career trajectory. 

 

Specifically, going from Marrone's, "round and square pegs, doesn't matter...they go in the hole and they hit it hard".  To Urban Meyer's, "round pegs, square pegs, triangle pegs, heck any shaped peg you can imagine we're going to have one of each and use it so creatively it doesn't even need a hole".  To trying to now win a spot in Pederson's offense where he obviously expects "pegs should have a shape".  Three completely and utterly different philosophies within the first 3 years as a rookie who was both old and raw with an undefined skillset in the first place, coming out of a college program where they just gamed his oddball strengths to the max and never really seemed to ask him to refine his play as...anything.  That's...about as bad as it gets for a "niche player" in search of a niche.

 

Who knows though.  I still think there's enough of...something there to maybe eventually land with a coach who finds a weird little role for a weird player and he puts up some yards.  I could see his career going in a bit of an up and down route like CPatt's...where he needs to find the right fit for whatever it is that he brings.  But unfortunately for Shenault, he doesn't have ace returner on his resume to hold him over while he searches for a fit, and in almost every way...he's an even more bizarre skillset in the first place.

 

Worst case for Shenault though, he keeps trying to work on his play as a RB and WR and entices some team into keeping him for roster flexibility as that last flex piece.  Hard to see a guy with that sort of intensity flaming out altogether.

 

[Tugboat]

On 8/30/2022 at 8:52 AM, LinderFournette said:

I think shenault would be best served as playing a RB role.   

Things he's clearly not good at:

1) running routes.

2) catching passes.

 

Things he's good at:

1) breaking tackles. 

He's not actually a good RB though.  He doesn't have any of the experience to do it well, outside of designed stuff that gives him an extra beat to look at the situation in front of him before he hits the hole.   Or stuff that puts the ball in his hands moving with support, time, and space, in a direction that gives him the extra beat to assess the LOS.  Like, you don't just ~decide~ to become a RB at 24 years of age.  Most RBs are retired by then.  His RB ability is centered around his ability to see the field from a different place and attack it that way, and with some tackle-breaking ability you don't typically get when you move guys around like that.

 

Alongside LBer, RB is probably the most saturated and competitive position to make it as an NFLer.  Every year, about a million new RBs come out of the draft, and most of them aren't drafted.  But most of them have spent their lives honing that craft.  Shenault has not.  They have fresh legs too.

 

Shenault's hope, is in the fact that he was also able to be a dominant college receiver at times.  That's a much much smaller club.  He's unique.  That's his advantage.  He was good enough at catching passes there.  He showed that he can win against top level talent as...whatever sort of receiver he was there.  It's just a nonsensical skillset.

 

I say, do like the Jags did to finally unlock Justin Blackmon briefly before he flamed out of the league for other reasons.  Teach him to run one power route effectively, and just keep doing it and see if they can stop it.  Idk how useful that is as a role.  But who knows.  Combine that with the other designed touches.

[JaguarCrazy2832]

On 8/30/2022 at 9:46 AM, .Buzz said:

 

interesting that in a situation like that we couldn't get more considering Jalen Reagor got a 4th and a 7th