Joe Barry'd again

[Mazrimiv]

Dogwalked all night?

Someone needs to explain how the defense was dogwalked in Q4 last night.

[Striker]

1 minute ago, beekay414 said:

Detroit game? Sure. They balled out on Thanksgiving. Last night? No. They got dogwalked down the field all night.

The wild thing is they still gave up 140 yards on the ground and 324 passing yards to the Lions. The pass rush and Jared Goff going full Jared Goof were the keys.

[incognito_man]

Just now, beekay414 said:

5.9 YPC and 7-11 on 3rd down

INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST YOUR EYES DECEIVE YOU DVOA IS KING

DVOA accounts for those numbers.

and then wraps it in a plethora of additional context

just pure intellectual dishonesty. There's nothing else to say about it.

[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, Leader said:

It's time for a change.

the defense has changed

keep up

[Rainmaker90]

2 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

because DVOA accounts for all of this

and I'm not self-absorbed enough to think my "eye test" is superior to DVOA

I’m all for metrics, but I would never put my full faith into one means of measuring . 

[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, Striker said:

The wild thing is they still gave up 140 yards on the ground and 324 passing yards to the Lions. The pass rush and Jared Goff going full Jared Goof were the keys.

if i were a victim of the much maligned "eye test", I'd also believe the defense played significantly better vs KC than DET overall. Felt less fluky for sure vs KC.

[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said:

I’m all for metrics, but I would never put my full faith into one means of measuring . 

it's not one means. It's very literally EVERY means of measuring.

it's the collection of every on-the-field metric.

Its blindspot is not accounting for the personnel (i.e. if a back-up QB is playing). Otherwise, it's the gold standard.

Edited December 4, 2023 by incognito_man

[Brat&Beer]

14 minutes ago, Leader said:

 

Seems the crowd is torn. 

[Leader]

It's time for a change.

[Packerraymond]

3 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

DVOA accounts for those numbers.

and then wraps it in a plethora of additional context

just pure intellectual dishonesty. There's nothing else to say about it.

In any ranking, is it easier to go from 28-18 or 18-8?

My guess is we'll stay right around 16-20. If that's good enough for you, so be it.

[beekay414]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

it's not one means. It's very literally EVERY means of measuring.

it's the collection of every on-the-field metric.

Its blindspot is not accounting for the personnel (i.e. if a back-up QB is playing). Otherwise, it's the gold standard.

Does it account for how wide ******* open guys are in the scheme? Or are my eyes just too ******* dumb to figure that one out?

Edited December 4, 2023 by beekay414

[Striker]

Just now, incognito_man said:

if i were a victim of the much maligned "eye test", I'd also believe the defense played significantly better vs KC than DET overall. Felt less fluky for sure vs KC.

Well, the "eye test"/matchup based positional analysis/whatever you want to call it based way of looking at things also pointed out the major flaws with the #7 DVOA Lions, which were what doomed them vs. the #17 DVOA Packers on Thanksgiving (bad secondary getting exposed if the opposing OL holds up, Jared Goff).

It's a useful tool that can get you close to predicting outcomes, but it's not the end all be all. 

[Packerraymond]

3 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

if i were a victim of the much maligned "eye test", I'd also believe the defense played significantly better vs KC than DET overall. Felt less fluky for sure vs KC.

It was equally as mediocre.

[Rainmaker90]

Just now, incognito_man said:

it's not one means. It's very literally EVERY means of measuring.

it's the collection of every on-the-field metric.

Its blindspot is not accounting for the personnel (i.e. if a back-up QB is playing). Otherwise, it's the gold standard.

It is though. It’s 1 method. How it collects its data doesn’t change the fact that it’s one means of measuring. Youre looking at one means of assessment and that’s pretty frowned upon anywhere else. I’m not saying don’t use it, but there has to be more. 

[wgbeethree]

49 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Vaunted QB schedule there, my man.

All quarterbacks suck.

Literally everyone on that list outside of Ridder and Rypien is a first round pick, a SuperBowl starter, or a ProBowler.