dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: Trading or cutting Adams post June 1st only costs $7.85 million in every year of his contact...plus he only turned 30 on Christmas Eve so you are getting him basically all next year at 30 years old...given his skill set he could still be a high volume pass catcher for another 5 years which create a ton of options elsewhere... I agree Williams would be awesome but the Jets would be idiotic to trade him to move up when they have Mike White who at the very least buys you time to find that franchise guy. I wouldn't hate Adams on Bears. He is good. I'm not sure Mike White is the guy. People look good in short spurts or subbing in for a season on good teams. Give DCs a full offseason knowing Mike White is presumed starter and he likely won't look nearly as good. Jalen Hurts improved his game AND his team improved roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: I wouldn't hate Adams on Bears. He is good. I'm not sure Mike White is the guy. People look good in short spurts or subbing in for a season on good teams. Give DCs a full offseason knowing Mike White is presumed starter and he likely won't look nearly as good. Jalen Hurts improved his game AND his team improved roster. I don't think Mike White is the guy long term either but he at least keeps your team competitive until you find the franchise guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: I don't think Mike White is the guy long term either but he at least keeps your team competitive until you find the franchise guy. Competitive but not a contender = purgatory. For a definition see 90% of Bears history. Interesting that Lions fans on this site, small sample size, do all their mock drafts without selecting a QB. I got news for them. Goff ain't it. Even with an all star team all around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Competitive but not a contender = purgatory. For a definition see 90% of Bears history. Interesting that Lions fans on this site, small sample size, do all their mock drafts without selecting a QB. I got news for them. Goff ain't it. Even with an all star team all around him. I think it is difficult to start selling off your best players when you have at least solid QB play...every team will think they can take a QB later in the draft and development them long term rightly or wrongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: I think it is difficult to start selling off your best players when you have at least solid QB play...every team will think they can take a QB later in the draft and development them long term rightly or wrongly. I don't think Quinnen or Adams are going anywhere next year. But Jets would trade up for a QB I think. So would Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: I don't think Quinnen or Adams are going anywhere next year. But Jets would trade up for a QB I think. So would Raiders. After the last offseason I honestly wouldn't rule anything at all out hahaha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: Trading or cutting Adams post June 1st only costs $7.85 million in every year of his contact...plus he only turned 30 on Christmas Eve so you are getting him basically all next year at 30 years old...given his skill set he could still be a high volume pass catcher for another 5 years which create a ton of options elsewhere... I agree Williams would be awesome but the Jets would be idiotic to trade him to move up when they have Mike White who at the very least buys you time to find that franchise guy. Can you designate post-6/1 for a player you’re trading rather than cutting? I wouldn’t think waiting to trade for Adams until after 6/1 is a realistic option since a move like that probably alters everything about your offseason. FWIW pick 2 to LV for 9, 40 and Adams places a trade value on Adams as between picks 23 and 24 on the modern draft value chart. They get a top QB prospect of McDaniels’ choosing plus the draft capital return they’ll get trading Carr away which I don’t think will be insignificant. We get Adams and 2 top 40 prospects, one in the top 10. Sign me up for that. Edited December 28, 2022 by AZBearsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, Madmike90 said: After the last offseason I honestly wouldn't rule anything at all out hahaha. I think stars move when teams don't want to pay them or can't pay them. Or when they are ready to reset for a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: I think stars move when teams don't want to pay them or can't pay them. Or when they are ready to reset for a year or two. Or the guy doesn't want to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, AZBearsFan said: Can you designate post-6/1 for a player you’re trading rather than cutting? I wouldn’t think waiting to trade for Adams until after 6/1 is a realistic option since a move like that probably alters everything about your offseason. FWIW pick 2 to LV for 9, 40 and Adams places a trade value on Adams as between picks 23 and 24 on the modern draft value chart. They get a top QB prospect of McDaniels’ choosing plus the draft capital return they’ll get trading Carr away which I don’t think will be insignificant. We get Adams and 2 top 40 prospects. Sign me up for that. As far as I am aware you can designate them as a post June 1st trade for contract purposes but still send them earlier...just the cap remains the same until that date... I agree Adams & #9 + #40 for #2 I would do today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 Adams will be fine when they sign Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: Can you designate post-6/1 for a player you’re trading rather than cutting? I wouldn’t think waiting to trade for Adams until after 6/1 is a realistic option since a move like that probably alters everything about your offseason. FWIW pick 2 to LV for 9, 40 and Adams places a trade value on Adams as between picks 23 and 24 on the modern draft value chart. They get a top QB prospect of McDaniels’ choosing plus the draft capital return they’ll get trading Carr away which I don’t think will be insignificant. We get Adams and 2 top 40 prospects, one in the top 10. Sign me up for that. Adding Adams to our offense completely remakes skill positions from suck to good. Adams, Mooney and Claypool, Jones and whoever - you can work with that. Raiders had Adams, Renfrow and Waller with a decent Oline and haven't been able to do Richard with it. But Carr isn't Fields and doesn't present dual threat - or any threat apparently. HOF credentials not withstanding. I would need to know Adams is 100% on board with coming and ready to work and not coast it out though. We would still need a good OT and a C and two good DL by draft or FA even with Adams to compete for North. Bears have some major holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Adams will be fine when they sign Brady That is another real possibility and would make division even more wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: That is another real possibility and would make division even more wild. And for that reason maybe Brady doesn't want to go there. He'll have better odds of winning 10+ games in Tampa than playing Mahomes and Herbert 4x/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 hours ago, dll2000 said: I would need to know Adams is 100% on board with coming and ready to work and not coast it out though. You’d think the prospect of playing against GB 2x/year after they decided he was expendable would add some juice for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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