fistfullofbeer Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, {Family Ghost} said: This burns me a little .. the Vikes are actually going for it, while the Packers are always content to see where the chips fall. There isn't a team in the league that needs a top wide receiver more than the Packers .. do something! Our all-in was giving Rodgers all that money. It basically sealed our fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, fistfullofbeer said: Our all-in was giving Rodgers all that money. It basically sealed our fate. Some of us here wanted to ship Rodgers off .. seemed like a no brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 Man, if we didn’t have Tonyan recovering and about to be back to health, that trade would piss me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Laces Out said: Sure, let's compare our GM's draft picks to other top teams in the league in a vacuum. While ignoring the other ways that those said rivals GM's work the Salary Cap, & FA and Trade markets that Green Bay is allergic to 4 out of every 5 years. I think Striker's analysis is fine, but what it really shows, more than anything, is that drafting is hard and often like baseball, batting .300 is pretty good. That makes it pretty hard to sustain long-term success when you don't really use the other forms of roster building available to you. Now, Gute has certainly been more active during his term in FA than TT was, but neither utilize player-trades, especially when it comes to giving up draft picks, and it really should be the opposite. The fact that Striker has just shown how hard it is to draft and how often you are going to miss on picks, a GM should actually be even more inclined to not treat those picks like gold and be willing to part with them more often. More often than not, the team getting the player is getting better value than the team getting the draft picks, and that's usually driven by the fact that those draft picks have a high percentage of missing anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) nvm Edited November 1, 2022 by Old Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdpackfan22 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) I'm a big Gute supporter. He completely turned the team around after taking over. Has hit on big money FA signings, has hit on bargain FA signings and has a solid draft record. With that being said, I really don't understand the strategy moving forward. We should of done 2 things: 1. If you're gonna sign an older QB to a 50m+/yr extension, then we need to go all in. If reports are true that we offered Adams more then Vegas and he declined, we should have used the money we would of given him and traded a 5th for Amari. Our biggest hole would have been filled and we would have still had money left over to sign Campbell and Douglas. We'd also have more flexibility in the draft. 2. Traded Adams and Rodgers for multiple 1st rounds picks and other draft capital. We would've been loaded for the future and primed for a quick rebuild like the Eagles did. We would have a season to find out if Love is the QB of the future or not. If he isn't, then we have a high draft pick to use on a strong QB class and salary cap to go all in while our QB is on a rookie contract. Instead, now we're stuck in a weird middle ground where our cap is hamstrung by our aging QB and we're not serious contenders because we have the worst set of weapons in the league. Gute's inability to make the tough decision when the writing was on the wall is what separates good GMs from great GMs Edited November 1, 2022 by Mdpackfan22 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, Laces Out said: Sure, let's compare our GM's draft picks to other top teams in the league in a vacuum. While ignoring the other ways that those said rivals GM's work the Salary Cap, & FA and Trade markets that Green Bay is allergic to 4 out of every 5 years. You have seen all the restructuring GB has done to create space and re-sign guys, right? That is EXACTLY how those other guys are doing it as well. As pointed out many times, Gute hits FA hard when he has money. He re-signs his own and he's picked some really, really good players off of the scrap heap. Campbell and Douglas. What he hasn't done much of? Trade. Except for a punter maybe? It's okay to admit that Gute has done what he can do. If you want to be critical of him, maybe state something like re-signing Campbell and Douglas was wrong. That money could have gone to WR's instead. Then name the WR's. And take the heat for letting an All Pro ILB walk along with a corner that kind of saved the season last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Part of me wonders if we're in this situation because Mark Murphy doesn't want to rebuild during his last few seasons so we're stuck in this half assed in-out scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdpackfan22 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, vegas492 said: You have seen all the restructuring GB has done to create space and re-sign guys, right? That is EXACTLY how those other guys are doing it as well. As pointed out many times, Gute hits FA hard when he has money. He re-signs his own and he's picked some really, really good players off of the scrap heap. Campbell and Douglas. What he hasn't done much of? Trade. Except for a punter maybe? It's okay to admit that Gute has done what he can do. If you want to be critical of him, maybe state something like re-signing Campbell and Douglas was wrong. That money could have gone to WR's instead. Then name the WR's. And take the heat for letting an All Pro ILB walk along with a corner that kind of saved the season last year. I want us to trade our 3rd round pick every year. Don't care who for or what position 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mdpackfan22 said: I'm a big Gute supporter. He completely turned the team around after taking over. Has hit on big money FA signings, has hit on bargain FA signings and has a solid draft record. With that being said, I really don't understand the strategy moving forward. We should of done 2 things: 1. If you're gonna sign an older QB to a 50m+/yr extension, then we need to go all in. If reports are true that we offered Adams more then Vegas and he declined, we should have used the money we would of given him and traded a 5th for Amari. Our biggest hole would have been filled and we would have still had money left over to sign Campbell and Douglas. We'd also have more flexibility in the draft. 2. Traded Adams and Rodgers for multiple 1st rounds picks and other draft capital. We would've been loaded for the future and primed for a quick rebuild like the Eagles did. We would have a season to find out if Love is the QB of the future or not. If he isn't, then we have a high draft pick to use on a strong QB class and salary cap to go all in while our QB is on a rookie contract. Instead, now we're stuck in a weird middle ground where our cap is hamstrung by our aging QB and we're not serious contenders because we have the worst set of weapons in the league. It was really this simple. Signing Rodgers to that deal and then replacing his guy Adams with Watkins and 2 rookies was a series of decisions that I don't even think Gute can look himself in the mirror and believe he actually thought would work. It had to be all or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, packfanfb said: It was really this simple. Signing Rodgers to that deal and then replacing his guy Adams with Watkins and 2 rookies was a series of decisions that I don't even think Gute can look himself in the mirror and believe he actually thought would work. It had to be all or nothing. The Titans are 5-2 with a far worse WR group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Looks like it's Cooks or nothing. Seems like all the "rookie deal" receivers weren't truly available. The only one that surprises me is Elijah Moore, pretty clear he's willing to be a cancer to get out of there and I'm not sure why Saleh wants to put up with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: The Titans are 5-2 with a far worse WR group. Why do you guys still try with him lol. He's all or nothing EVERY YEAR, every week, every day, he could have 4 1000 yard WRs and he'd want to trade for another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Packers have to be trading for Cooks or Claypool today, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdpackfan22 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: The Titans are 5-2 with a far worse WR group. Far worse? I don't know about that. But Titans are a running team with the best RB in football. That's their identity. We're a passing team with a 50m/QB and no weapons. Those situations aren't really comparable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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