Packers Trade For Nobody Day 557

[hitnhope]

1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

11th in sack percentage and 11th in yards per carry. The numbers simply don't back up the idea that our OL is bad. 

As far as a sub-middling WR group, do you have some sort of evidence that we're burning downs because the kids aren't getting open?

I've answered that.  If you think this is a good OL you've lost your credibility.   

If you have watched the games this year and come to any conclusion other than that our WR group is far below average you have lost credibility.

Do you really want to live on that hill?   The overall offensive talent is poor.  We have a special RB.  Non-premium position.

[Norm]

32 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Running the wrong routes according to whom?

Lack of separation according to whom? 

7th in most pressures according to whom? 

Trust me bro

[squire12]

2 hours ago, hitnhope said:

You can trade for draft picks.    Why didn't we sell off Savage 2 years ago for a pick or picks? Why didn't we trade Love last year for a pick or two?  Proactive organizations sell off players that aren't working out.   They trade vets getting toward the end for picks.   Belichick has made a career of doing this.   We don't make moves except during the draft itself.   

We aren't registering our picks as not being what we thought and recouping something.  Instead, we play out the string and then lament that we have to pick 26th in the draft.

You wanted GB to trade away a starting safety and have who start in that spot?

[hitnhope]

Just now, squire12 said:

You wanted GB to trade away a starting safety and have who start in that spot?

He's not a starting safety.  He's replacement level player his entire career.  How long do you wait? 

[squire12]

2 minutes ago, hitnhope said:

He's not a starting safety.  He's replacement level player his entire career.  How long do you wait? 

So who are you replacing him with?  Or you rolling out 10 on defense?

[hitnhope]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

So who are you replacing him with?  Or you rolling out 10 on defense?

It doesn't matter.  There are better players all over the league and on practice squads.

Why would you worry about replacing a player that cannot or will not tackle?  A player who consistently misplays the ball in the air.   A player who has receivers running wide open through his zone?

[squire12]

3 minutes ago, hitnhope said:

It doesn't matter.  There are better players all over the league and on practice squads.

Why would you worry about replacing a player that cannot or will not tackle?  A player who consistently misplays the ball in the air.   A player who has receivers running wide open through his zone?

So you wanted Savage traded after the 2020 season?  Is that accurate?

[hitnhope]

2 minutes ago, squire12 said:

So you wanted Savage traded after the 2020 season?  Is that accurate?

My point is that they are not identifying players that for whatever reason are not developing and moving on.   Ideally moving on while a player still has some trade value.

Savage hasn't developed at all.  Don't you think the organization should recognize this.  Should they not have recognized this by the end of 2021?

[squire12]

14 minutes ago, hitnhope said:

My point is that they are not identifying players that for whatever reason are not developing and moving on.   Ideally moving on while a player still has some trade value.

Savage hasn't developed at all.  Don't you think the organization should recognize this.  Should they not have recognized this by the end of 2021?

If you look at Savage play his first 2 years vs last year and current year you might spot a change.  

Savage was playing the pass rather well.  Might correspo d with a change in DC.

Games		Pass Coverage												Pass Rush					Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Tgt	Cmp	Cmp%	Yds	Yds/Cmp	Yds/Tgt	TD	Rat	DADOT	Air	YAC	Bltz	Hrry	QBKD	Sk	Prss	Comb	MTkl	MTkl%
2019	22	GNB	FS	26	14	14	2	30	17	56.7%	197	11.6	6.6	2	71.1	10.6	138	59	17	1	1	0.0	2	55	8	12.7%
2020	23	GNB	FS	26	15	15	4	39	22	56.4%	381	17.3	9.8	2	67.3	12.9	266	115	9	0	1	1.0	2	75	9	10.7%
2021	24	GNB	FS	26	17	17	2	57	37	64.9%	496	13.4	8.7	8	117.4	11.5	244	252	5	2	0	0.0	2	63	10	13.7%
2022	25	GNB	S	26	8	8	0	19	12	63.2%	224	18.7	11.8	1	121.4	11.7	149	75	2	0	0	0.0	0	27	2	6.9

[AlexGreen#20]

1 hour ago, cannondale said:

MLF, Rodgers, film

Stat people

Stat people

MLF is calling out our young receivers for running poor routes?

We know Rodgers considers every incompletion the result of a bad route.

Who's film?

Which stat people?

[HokieHigh]

Ag20 uve lost ur credibility around here, what with all the mspaint breakdowns and the numbers!!!!1!1

[AlexGreen#20]

1 minute ago, HokieHigh said:

Ag20 uve lost ur credibility around here, what with all the mspaint breakdowns and the numbers!!!!1!1

Damn

I'm bummed

[cannondale]

2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

MLF is calling out our young receivers for running poor routes?

We know Rodgers considers every incompletion the result of a bad route.

Who's film?

Which stat people?

-MLF has called out WR's for wrong routes - but you already know that

-Go to the Dr and point to the doll and let them know where Rodgers hurt you

-The film where 2 wr's run into each other - or 3 guys end up within 5 yards -- those are wrong routes

-Go find the tweets - not my job to inform you

[svp]

injury>player>team>coach>scheme>front office> external variable>speculation>luck/god

Does this seem to be in the correct order? Just go off vibes.

[Striker]

13 hours ago, hitnhope said:

Of course Gute has had hits.  Even bad GM's have hits over a 5 year span.

I just think that he has handled the QB position very poorly over the last 3 years.   Drafting Love was a double mistake.   It was too soon on the timeline and Love simply isn't good enough.   If anyone should know AR, it should have been Packers management.  It was entirely predictable that the drama we have had the last several years would be the result of making the Love move.   He then abandoned his plan when the timeline was right to move on.

I also do not think Gute has been at all proactive at the WR position or especially special teams.   All last year our special teams were a glaring problem.  We did nothing to correct them, and it very well cost us the SB.  I think most of the GM's I listed would not have left their team in the position.  we threw away a championship window because we weren't bold enough to make the move.   In today's NFL teams on the cusp are doing things to improve their chances.  We stand pat.

I do agree that he handled the QB position poorly - ONLY because they did not move on when a prime opportunity presented itself this season. Half measures weren't going to work this season.

re: the bolded - what is a GM supposed to do about a bad special teams unit? Force the ST coach to use starters on ST? Force the HC to fire the ST coach? The Packers structure, from what we know about it, doesn't really allow for that kind of move by the GM.

The Packers championship window also took two major hits after the trade deadline in positions you really can't save to begin with. Losing Bakh in '20 and then Jenkins in '21 set the OL behind big time and it caught up with them. 

A similar thing ultimately sunk KC vs. Tampa in '20. They lost most of their OL. They had no real way to save it.

The Bengals, whose GM you mentioned, went the entire season with a real bad OL that ultimately killed them. 

The 49ers were derailed by a coaching and QB collapse. And now they've likely overcorrected and are really putting their window at risk with the loss of all the assets to get Trey Lance and CMC.