QB Talk Once Again.... sigh

[bcb1213]

it's a game of chicken.  Which team will blink first.  Wouldn't shock me at all if nothing gets announced til Monday with the madness of March starting today, they'll want uninterrupted headlines

[KimuraGod]

14 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

I think this doesn't drag until Saturday. I think we iron something out today or tomorrow. 

It really should be done today. Both sides want the same thing. 

[drew39k]

9 minutes ago, KimuraGod said:

It really should be done today. Both sides want the same thing. 

The problem isn't that they want the same thing, the problem is both sides think they have the leverage over the other side.

The Jets know the Packers want to move on and that Rodgers can tell the Packers he will torpedo any other trade.

The Packers know the Jets are desperate and have fully committed to getting Rodgers at an ownership level. They know that if the Jets fail the pr nightmare will be massive. The Packers also know that if they trade Rodgers before June first(or if he retires before then) the cap hit is huge. For them, they'd much rather this move happen after that date.

Both GMs feel like, if the deal isn't heavily in their favor they will get skewered. Either Douglas overpaid for a 1 year rental on an old malcontent QB or GB undersold on a hof QB that could play at a high level for three more years.

[KimuraGod]

55 minutes ago, drew39k said:

The problem isn't that they want the same thing, the problem is both sides think they have the leverage over the other side.

The Jets know the Packers want to move on and that Rodgers can tell the Packers he will torpedo any other trade.

The Packers know the Jets are desperate and have fully committed to getting Rodgers at an ownership level. They know that if the Jets fail the pr nightmare will be massive. The Packers also know that if they trade Rodgers before June first(or if he retires before then) the cap hit is huge. For them, they'd much rather this move happen after that date.

Both GMs feel like, if the deal isn't heavily in their favor they will get skewered. Either Douglas overpaid for a 1 year rental on an old malcontent QB or GB undersold on a hof QB that could play at a high level for three more years.

Not really.
 

If either team thinks they are trying to be made to be the fool they could just pull out of negotiations leaving the other team in **** street also. 
 

This isn’t a regular trade; 

1. Both teams want the same thing. This isn’t like we are stealing their player away like in most trades. GB want to move on from AR. 

2. AR is a beloved Packer so their FO needs to be careful. If they think they can just wait it out and AR will stay quiet they will be mistaken. The bad publicity isn’t worth it. 

[WheatieMan]

Doesn't make sense not to spread out the cap hit post June 1st if you are GB. So how handicapped does that leave them for signing draft picks and FAs? They can spend as though they will absorb the full cap hit in 23' and set Love up to fail, or spend as though they'll absorb half that or slightly more than half, with the rest going to 24'. It just depends on what GB is trying to accomplish this year. They should be trying to win the NFC. It's not like they have a terrible roster. It's really the Eagles and everyone else at this point. 49ers have too many ???. 

So it could drag out until June if I understand things correctly.

[Bobby816]

They key here is for JD to give a deadline for them to answer to his best offer. On that same call say all the leverage we have. And say if we don't have an answer by that deadline. The offer goes down. That the current offer will no longer be on the table post that deadline.

[StatKing]

3 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

I think this doesn't drag until Saturday. I think we iron something out today or tomorrow. 

It's going to last longer than that. Wouldn't be surprised if this goes to June. Packers are holding him hostage for a first round pick.

[drew39k]

1 hour ago, Bobby816 said:

They key here is for JD to give a deadline for them to answer to his best offer. On that same call say all the leverage we have. And say if we don't have an answer by that deadline. The offer goes down. That the current offer will no longer be on the table post that deadline.

What's stopping the Packers from simply saying nah. They are going to be in a much better position if they delay things till June anyway. Getting a deal done sooner was our goal since we would have had other options if things feel through. Now those options are all but gone. The closer we get to June and the more options that go off the board, the more leverage the packers gain. 

As of right now, the only real leverage the Jets could have is if they get Rodgers to tell the Packers he will only take a trade to the Jets, and if the trade is not completed prior to June 1 he is going to retire and f their cap for this season.

[NJerseypaint]

12 minutes ago, StatKing said:

It's going to last longer than that. Wouldn't be surprised if this goes to June. Packers are holding him hostage for a first round pick.

I think they get it done before the draft. Why risk having to deal with unknown picks and prospects than known ones? Get Rodgers off and get the picks you need to rebuild ASAP.

[StatKing]

4 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

I think they get it done before the draft. Why risk having to deal with unknown picks and prospects than known ones? Get Rodgers off and get the picks you need to rebuild ASAP.

Same reason they think they can get 2 first round picks out of a 39 year old QB they are selling low, they think they are geniuses. Gute knows he's got next year as a freebie. If he can get as much of Rodgers contract off the books next year and get more capital to load up next off season he will try to do it.

[KingOfNewYork]

10 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

I think they get it done before the draft. Why risk having to deal with unknown picks and prospects than known ones? Get Rodgers off and get the picks you need to rebuild ASAP.

You rebuild with 1s and 2s not 4s and 5s 

[Bobby816]

23 minutes ago, StatKing said:

It's going to last longer than that. Wouldn't be surprised if this goes to June. Packers are holding him hostage for a first round pick.

That's just not happening I don't think.

And you think they're ok looking like villain to 31 other teams, players of their own and future players, etc?

All over a price they know is ridiculous.

 

One of the best CBs in Ramsey that is still only 28 years old... went for a 3rd rounder and a backup TE.

In what world would that make GB think well if Ramsey went for that.... AR is worth a 1st?

 

Makes no sense. When GB wants to be real.... then the talks can continue.

 

I think it's in the Jets best interest to make it crystal clear what there offer is right now. Give a deadline in the next 24hrs that GB has until then to accept it. You don't accept it in that time frame... and the offer goes lower and you get a new timeframe. And the Jets can play that game all offseason all while GB looks awful. And eventually GB will then trade him to us. If they're smart knowing that's the jets approach... they accept ASAP. It would be the highest offer and not make them look awful in the media (any worse than they already are).

[Bobby816]

6 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said:

You rebuild with 1s and 2s not 4s and 5s 

Not sure how long you've bene on this board... but I had to for years listen to people say that the good teams like GB are good all the time. Is bc they hit on those mid round and later draft pick guys.

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, KimuraGod said:

2. AR is a beloved Packer so their FO needs to be careful. If they think they can just wait it out and AR will stay quiet they will be mistaken. The bad publicity isn’t worth it. 

Rodgers has been bad mouthing the Packers' FO for the last few years.  This isn't new.

[CWood21]

10 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

That's just not happening I don't think.

And you think they're ok looking like villain to 31 other teams, players of their own and future players, etc?

All over a price they know is ridiculous.

 

One of the best CBs in Ramsey that is still only 28 years old... went for a 3rd rounder and a backup TE.

In what world would that make GB think well if Ramsey went for that.... AR is worth a 1st?

 

Makes no sense. When GB wants to be real.... then the talks can continue.

 

I think it's in the Jets best interest to make it crystal clear what there offer is right now. Give a deadline in the next 24hrs that GB has until then to accept it. You don't accept it in that time frame... and the offer goes lower and you get a new timeframe. And the Jets can play that game all offseason all while GB looks awful. And eventually GB will then trade him to us. If they're smart knowing that's the jets approach... they accept ASAP. It would be the highest offer and not make them look awful in the media (any worse than they already are).

IMO, if the deal isn't done by the end of next week it won't happen until the week of the draft.  There's no real pressure for either side to complete the deal in that dead period in between.

And again, there's no backup plan for the Jets.  They can't tell the Packers to adjust their trade demands or they're going to sign Carr or Jimmy G instead.  The Packers know the Jets need Aaron Rodgers.  And they don't have a backup option.  They'll apply pressure that way.  And again, the take it or leave it approach only works when there's an alternative in place.  You lower your package the longer the Packers hold out, the more the Packers are going to dig in.  The Packers could use that same leverage tactic as well.  Accept our deal or in a week it's going to cost you additional picks.

LIS, what comes first, the Jets' OTAs and TC or Week 1 of the regular season?  It's highly unlikely the Jets would wait until after TC and OTAs to acquire Rodgers.