Heinz D. Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: What? Have you watched Ken Norton Jr. over the past couple years? Dude wouldn't know what an adjustment was to save his life nor any x's or o's. Ehhh...I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, or anything. Just that he knows his ****, and has had success in the past. Both the Norton firing and the McCoy firing strike me as worthless panic moves. I'd be willing to bet no great improvement comes out of either move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 He has been bad, but the bigger issue is talent. The Raiders don't have much on defense outside of Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Ehhh...I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, or anything. Just that he knows his ****, and has had success in the past. Both the Norton firing and the McCoy firing strike me as worthless panic moves. I'd be willing to bet no great improvement comes out of either move. As what? A LB coach? With Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright and Bruce Irvin. Dude is horrid. Goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Remember when we all thought the AFC W was going to be an all-timer in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 What annoys me about this is the fact that, if the Raiders had a winning record, he wouldnt have been fired, even if he was still just as bad. Now you may ask, why would that annoy me because Im not a Raiders fan and it doesnt affect me? Well, because Todd Haley is probably just as bad of a coordinator as this guy, but he will keep his job because we have a winning record and because the immense talent on offense makes him look better than he is. Oh, and because it takes alot of ineptitude to get fired here.....and because his daddy has ties to Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 10 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Ehhh...I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, or anything. Just that he knows his ****, and has had success in the past. Both the Norton firing and the McCoy firing strike me as worthless panic moves. I'd be willing to bet no great improvement comes out of either move. McCoy, probably. Norton, nah, he was pretty awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Is JDR involved alot with the defense? He was pretty great for us there but not sure if he has his hand in it much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Is JDR involved alot with the defense? He was pretty great for us there but not sure if he has his hand in it much Nobody is really sure what JDR is involved with. Honestly, it would probably look better for him if he wasn't involved in the Raiders defense the past couple of years. Good news on Norton, though. The guy just doesn't have a clue. I don't think it'll particularly make a great deal of difference, as the defense is basically Khalil Mack and a bunch of nothing. But it was a change that needed to be made even just to try and ignite something. Zero interceptions in ten games is inexcusably bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashMan510 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Is JDR involved alot with the defense? He was pretty great for us there but not sure if he has his hand in it much Im sure his fingers are all over the defense. Theres no way hed just stay in the corner while the defense continuous to crap the bed every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 17 hours ago, Silver&Black88 said: As what? A LB coach? With Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright and Bruce Irvin. Dude is horrid. Goodbye. Strikes me as a pretty obnoxious and needlessly dismissive comment for a moderator to make. Goodbye. 10 hours ago, TheKillerNacho said: McCoy, probably. Norton, nah, he was pretty awful. It sure looked to me like they were building something last year, and I did, in fact, watch a handful of their games. But there simply isn't enough talent on that side of the ball, and the team underperforming in general has to go right to the top--JDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Strikes me as a pretty obnoxious and needlessly dismissive comment for a moderator to make. Goodbye. It sure looked to me like they were building something last year, and I did, in fact, watch a handful of their games. But there simply isn't enough talent on that side of the ball, and the team underperforming in general has to go right to the top--JDR. Uh, what? They were bottom-10 in almost every relevant defensive category last season. And they do have some talent on that side of the ball ... granted, they aren't extremely talented but every time I watched the Raiders it seemed like their defense was simply out-coached and unprepared. Norton may not have been the only problem, but he was definitely a problem imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, TheKillerNacho said: Uh, what? They were bottom-10 in almost every relevant defensive category last season. And they do have some talent on that side of the ball ... granted, they aren't extremely talented but every time I watched the Raiders it seemed like their defense was simply out-coached and unprepared. Norton may not have been the only problem, but he was definitely a problem imo. Yeah, I get what you're saying. The underperforming this year is team-wide, though. Thanks for disagreeing with me without being obnoxious and needlessly dismissive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 23 hours ago, lancerman said: "I've had some success against Brady"- -Ken Norton Jr. 11.16.17 Never forget Some is a very subjective word. In 2009 Brady threw for 380 yards, 6 TDs, 5 coming in one quarter against the Titans. He left after one drive into the 3rd. But there was a few incompletions, so TEN had "some" success, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Strikes me as a pretty obnoxious and needlessly dismissive comment for a moderator to make. Goodbye. It sure looked to me like they were building something last year, and I did, in fact, watch a handful of their games. But there simply isn't enough talent on that side of the ball, and the team underperforming in general has to go right to the top--JDR. Ummm. No. The Goodbye was directed at Norton. The point was he was able to shine in a role where he was working with cream of the crop talent. Our talent on defense could certainly stand to be improved upon. But week in and week out we're getting carved up. Nearly every week for the past 2 and a half years opposing offensive coordinators have coached circles around whoever is running our defense. I'm interested to see what changes when Pagano takes over to see how involved JDR is in our defense. Because I'm pretty ready to throw him out the door too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Norton had to go. JDR is the bigger issue however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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