swede700 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, wcblack34 said: It could be JJ and two dead Elvis impersonators, and I’d still pick the group with JJ. Vegas Elvis or Young Elvis? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, swede700 said: KJ is certainly fine, but it always seems his catches come in bunches and then he disappears for good portions of games. It should also be noted that KJ has played with Kirk his entire career, while Jarius had to play with the likes of Ponder, Teddy, Case and Bradford. Despite that, Jarius was often a third down machine with over half of his catches being on critical third downs. Such is the life of a WR3, make the plays when your number is called. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise that KJ and Jarius both did that. I think the Chiefs would be happy to have either as their #1 after last night! Edited September 9, 2023 by VikeManDan Grammar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, swede700 said: ...while Jarius had to play with the likes of Ponder, Teddy, Case and Bradford. Edited September 8, 2023 by vike daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, VikeManDan said: I think the Chiefs would be happy to have either as their #1 after last night! Ain't that the truth...I'm sure the Chiefs would have even taken Berrian...at 42 yrs old. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Justin Jefferson is not expected to sign a contract extension before Sunday's opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Saturday night. Both sides made a strong effort to get a deal done, but the plan now is to revisit it after the season, sources told Schefter. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38363491/jefferson-extension-unlikely-vikings-opener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 So if can be summed up as the Vikings didn’t yet want to give JJ what he wanted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: So if can be summed up as the Vikings didn’t yet want to give JJ what he wanted. I'd rather get it done now before someone else gets a ridiculous deal and JJ goes from there. Jefferson will be the highest paid receiver regardless though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: I'd rather get it done now before someone else gets a ridiculous deal and JJ goes from there. Jefferson will be the highest paid receiver regardless though. it's not the amount of the contract that the two sides are hung up over, it's how much is guaranteed. Jefferson's agent wants his entire contract guaranteed, citing that he has performed differently than any other receiver has so his contract should reflect that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 It's posturing. Both sides hold leverage. For the Vikings, JJ is under contract for two more years (they will pick up his 5th year option) and can be franchised for two more years after that. For JJ, he's the top player at his position and is on track to being one of the greatest to ever play. Both sides are right to exercise the leverage they perceive they have. The Vikings are probably right to not accede to a fully guaranteed contract. While JJ has certainly been durable so far, ACLs, MCLs, concussions and the like are a significant risk for a receiver. Jefferson is right to demand it to see if he can get it. It's too bad a deal hasn't been reached yet, especially since JJ is going to play the season with nothng more than a $2.4MM salary guarantee, but it certainly doesn't mean a deal won't be reached. He's quickly becoming one of the faces of the NFL and his value to the team extends past what he does on the field. I don't think the Wilfs are going to let him go. As good as Diggs and Harvin were, they weren't JJ and weren't nearly as valuable from a marketing standpoint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 There’s not much incentive for JJ to sign a deal this year. The team picked up his 5th year option, so any extension isn’t going to kick in until 2025, anyways. In the meantime, next year year a lot more top WRs are going to be eligible for new contracts. Unless the Vikings give JJ exactly what he wants, it’s likely in his best interest to let guys like Lamb, Chase, and Waddle sign before him. And then sign a deal to top them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Or… You use Justin Jefferson to trade up for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye, and let someone else pay him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: There’s not much incentive for JJ to sign a deal this year. The team picked up his 5th year option, so any extension isn’t going to kick in until 2025, anyways. In the meantime, next year year a lot more top WRs are going to be eligible for new contracts. Unless the Vikings give JJ exactly what he wants, it’s likely in his best interest to let guys like Lamb, Chase, and Waddle sign before him. And then sign a deal to top them. The incentives are getting bonus money now and guarding against injury. But yeah, I don't think the situation is nearly as dire as Florio wants to believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, wcblack34 said: It's posturing. Both sides hold leverage. For the Vikings, JJ is under contract for two more years (they will pick up his 5th year option) and can be franchised for two more years after that. For JJ, he's the top player at his position and is on track to being one of the greatest to ever play. Both sides are right to exercise the leverage they perceive they have. The Vikings are probably right to not accede to a fully guaranteed contract. While JJ has certainly been durable so far, ACLs, MCLs, concussions and the like are a significant risk for a receiver. Jefferson is right to demand it to see if he can get it. It's too bad a deal hasn't been reached yet, especially since JJ is going to play the season with nothng more than a $2.4MM salary guarantee, but it certainly doesn't mean a deal won't be reached. He's quickly becoming one of the faces of the NFL and his value to the team extends past what he does on the field. I don't think the Wilfs are going to let him go. As good as Diggs and Harvin were, they weren't JJ and weren't nearly as valuable from a marketing standpoint. everything you wrote here is spot on. it's as if you have professional experience with contracts or something. lol and your last point about Diggs and Harvin, and JJ outplaying their value, is also magnified by how mature and team friendly he has been through all of this. Diggs and Harvin team friendly...? Diggs and Harvin being mature...? hardly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 2:16 PM, swede700 said: Where's the shopping cart or sprinkler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I understand Jefferson wanting to try to get more next year but it seems crazy to give up that much guaranteed money when careers can be over so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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