The Lamar offseason talk thread

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, diamondbull424 said:

😂

This league is very interesting, Daniel Jones best season is worse than Lamar’s worst season and this dude gets paid $40m with 60% guaranteed?

Yet fans are tripping because Lamar is asking for ~$47m guaranteed? That’s a bargain in comparison.

Oh well. Hopefully everything resolves itself as according to plan.

Giants didn't also have to give up 2 FRP's to get him. And plus basically everyone is laughing at Jones' deal because of how horrible it is.

But this situation is crazy.

Everyone: "Wow the Browns are so stupid for giving Watson that contract!"

Also everyone: "Why isn't some other team making a worse deal 2 years later?! It must be collusion!"

[Xmad]

7 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Giants didn't also have to give up 2 FRP's to get him. And plus basically everyone is laughing at Jones' deal because of how horrible it is.

But this situation is crazy.

Everyone: "Wow the Browns are so stupid for giving Watson that contract!"

Also everyone: "Why isn't some other team making a worse deal 2 years later?! It must be collusion!"

QB money has spiraled and fully guaranteed money is now the floor for top 5 QBs in their prime. 

It will definitely be addressed in the next CBA but since that's 2032? We're stuck with the current predicament of Lamar being a media talking point because he's the next domino for getting a major QB contract for a QB in his prime.

We get to watch this happen with Burrow and it's gonna be Hilarious when the bengals trade him to *insert NFC team* for pennies on the Palmer.

[Ray Reed]

 

[wackywabbit]

^Didn't know this. So we have to wait for after the new league year for some action to resolve with this non-exclusive tag.

[Ray Reed]

 

[Nobellythrower]

Might be a make or break year for harbugh all those staff changes, lamar staying I can defintly see us going into the divisional, don't know if we beating kc or jax

[DreamKid]

Article has been posted everywhere, but in case anyone missed it I'll leave it here as well-

 

[Nobellythrower]

http:// https://mobile.twitter.com › Summe...

 

How qb's perform in pure passing situations 2018-2022 (3rd & long, down in the 4th quarter, etc.) 

top 4 qb's ranked that's still playing 

1.Mahomes

going to gap that

2.burrow

3.herbert

4.lamar

Edited March 10, 2023 by Nobellythrower

[ThatJaxxenGuy]

Biscotti needs to stop playing footsies through EDC and pay Lamar what he wants. We’re going to waste a year if this drags through the offseason and we can’t negotiate with free agents or even plan for the draft. 
 

I’d rather be stuck with an albatross of a contract but making playoffs every year to get bounced and win the odd game than just being terrible with no QB. 
 

the Ravens hit bad luck with this timing but come on. If a bad franchise like the browns can scrape enough cash to make it work then Biscotti definitely has the money. To be that franchise that has a star QB walk because of fear of cap hits is a stain on the brand for any free agents and tells the team we don’t think we can contend.

[paraven]

5 hours ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said:

Biscotti needs to stop playing footsies through EDC and pay Lamar what he wants. We’re going to waste a year if this drags through the offseason and we can’t negotiate with free agents or even plan for the draft. 
 

I’d rather be stuck with an albatross of a contract but making playoffs every year to get bounced and win the odd game than just being terrible with no QB. 
 

the Ravens hit bad luck with this timing but come on. If a bad franchise like the browns can scrape enough cash to make it work then Biscotti definitely has the money. To be that franchise that has a star QB walk because of fear of cap hits is a stain on the brand for any free agents and tells the team we don’t think we can contend.

Do you want to be the browns? Because thats how you become the browns. 

[Ray Reed]

6 hours ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said:

Biscotti needs to stop playing footsies through EDC and pay Lamar what he wants. We’re going to waste a year if this drags through the offseason and we can’t negotiate with free agents or even plan for the draft. 
 

I’d rather be stuck with an albatross of a contract but making playoffs every year to get bounced and win the odd game than just being terrible with no QB. 
 

the Ravens hit bad luck with this timing but come on. If a bad franchise like the browns can scrape enough cash to make it work then Biscotti definitely has the money. To be that franchise that has a star QB walk because of fear of cap hits is a stain on the brand for any free agents and tells the team we don’t think we can contend.

[ThatJaxxenGuy]

3 hours ago, paraven said:

Do you want to be the browns? Because thats how you become the browns. 

This is a moronic take. Good luck ever signing a free agent when we’re the team who said “nah” to the only player who kept their head coach employed and their franchise relevant.

The Browns are bad because of 30+ years of ineptitude, not one contract. If you think one highly paid player is the difference between the Ravens and the Browns then you don’t know what you’re talking about

yall penny pinching fans are just sad. Why not lick the billionaires boots a little harder? It’s not like it’s your money. If you think the team would be hamstrung by a big Lamar contract wait until you see how bad the offence will be with nothing but a late 2024 first, a late 2025 first, and an offence led by Matt Ryan to show for it. This team will have to punt on free agency and the draft by playing tough guy with Lamar, when the key to making this all go away is the simplest answer: pay him. 

5 years of being relevant with a fat Lamar contract is better than what the Indianapolis Colts have gone through the last 5 years.

Edited March 10, 2023 by ThatJaxxenGuy

[ThatJaxxenGuy]

2 hours ago, Ray Reed said:

Nothing to add ? Then sit down child. 
 

this is why I typically hate our fans - you’d rather the team be awful than pay it’s star players and risk looking “stupid”. This is the Judon situation all over again. We set up a player for ugly stats, then he will go somewhere else and light it up - and all the idiots who did nothing but cry the entire time will say “gee where was that when he was with us” because their brain doesn’t understand that context exists. Meanwhile we will draft some QB to be our odafe Oweh because instead of paying a good player what he has earned you geniuses would rather just suck and rage post to circle jerk negativity, but it’s all okay because of “muh value”

Edited March 10, 2023 by ThatJaxxenGuy

[jpeter15]

26 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said:

This is a moronic take. Good luck ever signing a free agent when we’re the team who said “nah” to the only player who kept their head coach employed and their franchise relevant.

The Browns are bad because of 30+ years of ineptitude, not one contract. If you think one highly paid player is the difference between the Ravens and the Browns then you don’t know what you’re talking about

yall penny pinching fans are just sad. Why not lick the billionaires boots a little harder? It’s not like it’s your money. If you think the team would be hamstrung by a big Lamar contract wait until you see how bad the offence will be with nothing but a late 2024 first, a late 2025 first, and an offence led by Matt Ryan to show for it. This team will have to punt on free agency and the draft by playing tough guy with Lamar, when the key to making this all go away is the simplest answer: pay him. 

5 years of being relevant with a fat Lamar contract is better than what the Indianapolis Colts have gone through the last 5 years.

I don’t think anyone cares about saving money for Bisciotti. Fact is he’s paying the full salary cap every year so whether he pays Lamar $32m, $45m, or $60m doesn’t impact his bottom line. The concern is more if Lamar loses “it” we’re going to be paying $50m/yr guaranteed we have no options. If the Rams gave a fully guaranteed contract to Goff would they have won the SB? If the Eagles had given a fully guaranteed contract to Wentz would they have won the SB? No, their teams would have been in a 4 year cap hell waiting for those contracts to expire. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by jpeter15

[ThatJaxxenGuy]

17 minutes ago, jpeter15 said:

I don’t think anyone cares about saving money for Bisciotti. Fact is he’s paying the full salary cap every year so no matter whether he pays Lamar $32m, $45m, or $60m doesn’t impact his bottom line. I concern is more if Lamar loses “it” we’re going to be paying $50m/yr with no options. If the Rams have a fully guaranteed contract to Goff would they have won the SB? If the Eagles has given a fully guaranteed contract to Wentz would they face win the SB? No, their teams would have been in a 4 year cap hell waiting for those contracts to expire. 

It’s only a 4-5 year deal I don’t think Lamar in that time all the sudden becomes Carson Wentz or Rams version of Jared Goff. And even if he does that’s better than Jacoby Brissett or Baker Mayfield. 

y’all are so scared that Lamar falls off a cliff and we’re so-so that you’d rather just let him walk and be that dumpster franchise like the Jags that spent a decade drafting good players only to trade them. 
 

newsflash everyone: we’ve already seen this team without Lamar from 2015-2018. That’s who Harbaugh is in this day and age without LJ so those of you in a rush to return to that be my guest but just recognize you’re advocating for a bad brand of football because of your irrational fear of the team “looking dumb” to internet nerds 

 

the team benefits if this is resolved quickly, otherwise it gets worse and worse. The fastest way to resolve this and focus on improving the team is to pay Lamar otherwise: Lamar goes unsigned and we miss free agents because of the cap uncertainty, we can’t draft according to our strength or weaknesses because we don’t even know if we have a Qb, then if someone does pull the trigger and offer a contract we are too cowardly to match we are left without a QB after the draft and after free agency leaving us scrambling for a QB and ending up with a loser like Matt Ryan or Baker Mayfield.

 

Do you guys think that’s going to inspire the locker room and show them how committed we are to winning? Do you think Roquan and Humphrey and those guys are going to be happy we saved money and have Baker Mayfield instead? No

but now we what ? Punt on next year because we have no QB. Then we try to draft one which is at best a coin flip to whether or not he’s even able to play in the NFL. Then he needs seasoning and to develop into a playoff ready QB so that takes a season or 3.

next thing you know, IF WERE LUCKY and the QB we replace Lamar with in 2024 is not terrible and we can maybe try to build a contender for 2025-2027.

is that better than just paying Lamar his money? We have a guy in the building but if we ship him out you’re looking at a rebuild that could easily take as long as his contract would’ve ran. Some of you must be too young to remember, but wasting otherwise great rosters on a revolving door of bad QBs is a place this team has been before - and it’s not pretty.

If you actually think we are just going to be gift wrapped a franchise QB after losing Lamar you are naive. The compensation we will receive on the non-exclusive tag is not enough to land a good QB. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by ThatJaxxenGuy