minutemancl Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Everyone, including NFL teams, have been using the Jimmy Johnson chart for years. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp There's a new one that some football nerds came up with that they've been trying to push. https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart The real difference between the two seems to be the value of late round picks. Pick 1 is worth 3000 on both. Pick 200 is worth 9.8 on Jimmy Johnson's chart, but worth 315 in the nerd one. That's about pick 57 in Jimmy Johnson's, so there is obviously a big discrepancy here. I don't agree with this new one at all. The values seem entirely off. It seems to neglect the fact that those picks actually need to turn into players that need to play well for your team. Picks 193 and 194 and equal to pick 100? I can get into the middle of the 3rd with 2 early 6th round picks (pick 86 is worth 743, picks 178 and 179 are worth 745)? It just does not sit well with me at all. Have you seen this new chart? Does it sound as crazy to you as it does to me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 yup, the spielberger one has been around for awhile and is good. mine is quite similar: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 The OTC trade chart is terrible. Like really bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 There are 6 charts I'm aware of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I think Bill B said they used to use JJ's but not anymore. Does anyone like Rich Hill's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: I think Bill B said they used to use JJ's but not anymore. Does anyone like Rich Hill's? Rich Hill's makes sense to me, and I think that is the one Bill uses now. I can't wrap my head around this Spielberger one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, incognito_man said: yup, the spielberger one has been around for awhile and is good. mine is quite similar: I like this. Did you ever finish it out through pick 256? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Girl Squad Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Everyone, including NFL teams, have been using the Jimmy Johnson chart for years. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp There's a new one that some football nerds came up with that they've been trying to push. https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart The real difference between the two seems to be the value of late round picks. Pick 1 is worth 3000 on both. Pick 200 is worth 9.8 on Jimmy Johnson's chart, but worth 315 in the nerd one. That's about pick 57 in Jimmy Johnson's, so there is obviously a big discrepancy here. I don't agree with this new one at all. The values seem entirely off. It seems to neglect the fact that those picks actually need to turn into players that need to play well for your team. Picks 193 and 194 and equal to pick 100? I can get into the middle of the 3rd with 2 early 6th round picks (pick 86 is worth 743, picks 178 and 179 are worth 745)? It just does not sit well with me at all. Have you seen this new chart? Does it sound as crazy to you as it does to me? While there were a few hold outs, I don't think anyone in NFL uses the JJ chart anymore. As mentioned, there are various other more data driven charts available and several teams have their own in house boards that they use. I don't think we'll have a consensus "everyone uses X board" like JJ again but all of the new charts are much closer to each other anyways with proper value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: mine is quite similar: Did you try with and without QBs? EDIT: Nevermind, thought the grey was the mean not the median. I'm still interested as to why yours is flat near the top, guessing that's due to the poor performance of the number 1 overall QBs in that period. Edited April 28, 2023 by ramssuperbowl99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Going off the trade Buffalo and Jacksonville made last night it looks like they use the Jimmy J one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoosh Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) That's atrocious. Nothing else needs to be said. Complete joke. Edited April 28, 2023 by swoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said: Going off the trade Buffalo and Jacksonville made last night it looks like they use the Jimmy J one. Giants and Jags did as well. Thats why I don't think the JJ chart is dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Girl Squad Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Giants and Jags did as well. Thats why I don't think the JJ chart is dead. Wouldn't stun me if Baalke was one of the last holdouts using the JJ chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Did you try with and without QBs? EDIT: Nevermind, thought the grey was the mean not the median. I'm still interested as to why yours is flat near the top, guessing that's due to the poor performance of the number 1 overall QBs in that period. It's not built around pick data, it's built solely around career earnings. i.e. Tom Brady factors into the #1 overall pick value and not the 6th round pick. The intent is to map a draft class potential overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, minutemancl said: I like this. Did you ever finish it out through pick 256? I did not (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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