persiandud Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 also, if it's not been apparent at this point... the Packers LOVE scouting the senior bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Packerraymond Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Got through two 2022 games last night. This tape is a grind. Man this is a boring offense. You're scouting tools here, they do nothing exciting whatsoever with Jayden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, Packerraymond said: Got through two 2022 games last night. This tape is a grind. Man this is a boring offense. You're scouting tools here, they do nothing exciting whatsoever with Jayden. I'm curious if it jumps out to anyone else, but when I saw him he looked like a guy who can excel on option routes because he's a magician at setting up his DB. If he has an option built in, I think he's gonna absolutely dust guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I'm curious if it jumps out to anyone else, but when I saw him he looked like a guy who can excel on option routes because he's a magician at setting up his DB. If he has an option built in, I think he's gonna absolutely dust guys. Remember, I'm not overly excited about this kid, but..... I do see some very nice stuff on routes like you talk about above. There's a lot of quickness and agility there. I still can't tell if he's straight line fast, but I'm coming away feeling that, with pads on, he's fast enough, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LacyIsGood Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 This guy legitimately has a broader skill set than JSN. This is why you always look for premium in round 1. Other skill sets can be had later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I'm curious if it jumps out to anyone else, but when I saw him he looked like a guy who can excel on option routes because he's a magician at setting up his DB. If he has an option built in, I think he's gonna absolutely dust guys. Somebody posted some tape of Reed working out--whether combine, pro day, or senior bowl I can't recall. He ran a post and his first wiggle created five yards of separation! The route then converted to corner before the defensive back had reacted fully to the first move and the dback was right back in coverage. Reed caught the contested ball anyway. I wish I had confidence that our coaching staff was up to the task of properly using the talent it seems to be acquiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Uffdaswede said: Somebody posted some tape of Reed working out--whether combine, pro day, or senior bowl I can't recall. He ran a post and his first wiggle created five yards of separation! The route then converted to corner before the defensive back had reacted fully to the first move and the dback was right back in coverage. Reed caught the contested ball anyway. I wish I had confidence that our coaching staff was up to the task of properly using the talent it seems to be acquiring. I noticed multiple times where he'd juke TOO quickly a 2nd time and didn't allow the defender to fully commit to first fake. I think whatever that fix is: 1) one less juke move per route 2) option routes 3) hesitating a split second between his double moves IF he's able to do so, he's gonna be out there breaking ankles like Diggs/Brown/Jennings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I'm curious if it jumps out to anyone else, but when I saw him he looked like a guy who can excel on option routes because he's a magician at setting up his DB. If he has an option built in, I think he's gonna absolutely dust guys. Option routes are more based on coverage reads, if I read zone, I do this, man I do that, or sometimes based on the read player, if the safety goes here, I do this, or there I do that. You're more describing a double move, setting up a DB based on a preconceived route and then breaking him off into another route, and yes, he's brilliant there so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Very interesting stretch of players here after the trade. Other than Branch (who I did not expect to be there in the 2nd), I probably mocked each of these 46-49 guys a few times to GB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Very interesting stretch of players here after the trade. Other than Branch (who I did not expect to be there in the 2nd), I probably mocked each of these 46-49 guys a few times to GB. Love Jordan Reed, but Keeanu Benton would have been a great pick also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Very interesting stretch of players here after the trade. Other than Branch (who I did not expect to be there in the 2nd), I probably mocked each of these 46-49 guys a few times to GB. I don't think we trade down if we think there was risk of someone getting the guy we really wanted there. Pretty confident Reed was our target all along. Sort of a "surprise" pick, I think we felt good moving back and still getting him. The others that went 45-49 we'd have just taken at 45 if we wanted them IMO. Those were all guys more or less expected to go around that range. Right or wrong, TBD, but I think we definitely got our target and got those two bonus picks. Edited May 2, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I don't think we trade down if we think there was risk of someone getting the guy we really wanted there. Pretty confident Reed was our target all along. Sort of a "surprise" pick, I think we felt good moving back and still getting him. The others that went 45-49 we'd have just taken at 45 if we wanted them IMO. Those were all guys more or less expected to go around that range. Right or wrong, TBD, but I think we definitely got our target and got those two bonus picks. I will believe that Reed is the player they wanted and felt they could get away with the move back, BUT to think that only one player was an option there would probably be naive on our parts. It is also possible that they trick bagged themselves there with the first trade back of 3 spots. Maybe White and Martin (both were 30-visits) were the next two players on their board they wanted and were ok with either and were confident one would be there 3 picks later only to get bitten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I noticed multiple times where he'd juke TOO quickly a 2nd time and didn't allow the defender to fully commit to first fake. I think whatever that fix is: 1) one less juke move per route 2) option routes 3) hesitating a split second between his double moves IF he's able to do so, he's gonna be out there breaking ankles like Diggs/Brown/Jennings I saw those things too. In the Senior Bowl drill. No pass rush. No safety help, LB help....etc. And I wasn't sure if he was beating someone legit or someone who would be flipping burgers in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I think it could be fun to have a quick, jukesy guy. I wonder if MLF will do much jet-sweep with him? He's no Watson in terms of sprint speed to get around a boundary, so maybe not. But sometimes a shifty guy might actually be somewhat effective in that role, too? Fast enough to maybe get around the edge, if the blocking is good; but quick and shifty enough to cut upfield and dart through a gap while defender is running all out to close the boundary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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