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Josh Allen without Brian Daboll


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54 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said:

Joe is the accuracy, decision making, and ball placement.

Josh is the flare, athleticism, and rocket arm.

Pat is a combo of the two.

This is the fairest and most accurate way to look at it, IMO. It comes down to personal preference. They’re both behind Mahomes.

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4 hours ago, SmittyBacall said:

Josh Allen punching the air right now wishing he had this OL.

LG - Quinton Spain - Out of the league.

Allen had Quinton Spain lol. That's where you guys got him from. Allen in his best season (2020) had:

LT - Dion Dawkins - average to above average LT, not amazing but not a liability, kinda in the DJ Humphries tier where they're not gonna be considered elite but you could definitely do worse.

LG - Ike Boettger - Colts practice squad and Quinton Spain

C - Mitch Morse - solid

RG - Brian Winters - terrible, out of the league

RT - Daryl Williams - terrible, out of the league

 

Allen's playmaking/risk taking has led to the Bills OL being overrated for years. They're a bottom 10 unit that had a chunk play through the air, run-up-the-middle QB. 

That said, Cincinnati has been a bottom 3-ish unit for just as long.

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Josh Allen suffers from Brett Farve syndrome.  So physically gifted with the ability to make any and every NFL throw you can ask for on the field.  

He takes to many risks. Plays to much Hero ball. Hence the TO's the past few seasons. Like Farve, the live for another play, doesn't exist. Not when I "think" I can make it now. 

Like Brett, you take the phenomenal with the bad. Is what it is. 

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25 minutes ago, y*so*blu said:

I don't think this is just a Week 1 overreaction. We saw it last season as well. I don't blame it all on Allen though. Failure to establish your run game also limits your options through the air.

The Bills were arguably the 2nd best offense in the NFL last season (2nd in DVOA, 2nd in yards/play, 2nd in points/game).

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5 hours ago, AngusMcFife said:

The Bills were arguably the 2nd best offense in the NFL last season (2nd in DVOA, 2nd in yards/play, 2nd in points/game).

Again, both can be true. No one in here has said they have a bad offense, are a bad team, or that Josh Allen is a bad QB. But for all those things they were 2nd in last year in a good way, guess what, they were also the 2nd worst offense in the NFL in turnovers. Both can be true. And all of it is what adds up to this team that can blow out a ton of teams, they can beat the Chiefs and blow out the Titans and the Steelers and the Rams, and then lose to Zach Wilson this year on a Josh Allen 3 INT, 2 fumble, 1 fumble lost game. Or lose to the Urban Meyer Jaguars on a Josh Allen 2 INT, 1 fumble, 1 fumble lost game. Or almost get knocked out of the playoffs by Skylar Thompson on a Josh Allen 2 INT, 7 sack, 3 fumble, 1 fumble lost game.

The problem with turnovers is the volatility. They create dramatic variance within the game. This should have been a coast to a safe win game for the Bills. They should've been able to slow play things, focus on not screwing up, and won with room to spare. Josh Allen instead demonstrated either an inability or an unwillingness to do that. Either is concerning. And this game could really matter. The margins are thin at the top. Every year since the league switched the playoff format to 7 teams per conference, the Bills have missed the 1st round bye by one game. Now, 2020 that game was the loss to KC. But after that? If they beat the Jaguars in 2021, they would've had the bye and the 1 seed. The Jets or the Vikings last year, same deal. Winnable games with brutal Josh Allen turnovers. Now 100% there's a ton of other games on those schedules they wouldn't have won without the greatness Allen brings, but this is something he needs to fix. And it is fair to point that out. We don't have to just bow down because they're good. Flaws deserve to be discussed as well.

Hell, pop into the Chiefs forum, and as much as we adore what Andy Reid has done for us, you'll see us all complaining about how the man can't get the offense to gain 1 yard to save his life. He can scheme up 3rd and 15 just fine, but man he struggles to get 1, and it's fair to criticize that even though he's an all-time great. Both things can be true and relevant.

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8 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said:

Congrats on your 2nd-best offense trophy, but it didn't help the Bills go any deeper in the playoffs. If Allen's turnovers are a factor, there's no reason it shouldn't be discussed.

He’s not saying it shouldn’t be discussed, he’s saying Daboll didn’t prevent turnovers for Allen either and the offense didn’t have some major regression after he left. 

 

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1 hour ago, Trentwannabe said:

He’s not saying it shouldn’t be discussed, he’s saying Daboll didn’t prevent turnovers for Allen either and the offense didn’t have some major regression after he left. 

 

Actually, the numbers were posted earlier in the thread; Allen's turnover rate has been noticeably higher since 2022, week one.

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9 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said:

Actually, the numbers were posted earlier in the thread; Allen's turnover rate has been noticeably higher since 2022, week one.

You're not wrong. He had a down year last year compared to prior years

But I do kinda feel like it's within the realm of standard deviation, no?

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