ET80 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 54 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: Joe is the accuracy, decision making, and ball placement. Josh is the flare, athleticism, and rocket arm. Pat is a combo of the two. This is the fairest and most accurate way to look at it, IMO. It comes down to personal preference. They’re both behind Mahomes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, SmittyBacall said: Josh Allen punching the air right now wishing he had this OL. LG - Quinton Spain - Out of the league. Allen had Quinton Spain lol. That's where you guys got him from. Allen in his best season (2020) had: LT - Dion Dawkins - average to above average LT, not amazing but not a liability, kinda in the DJ Humphries tier where they're not gonna be considered elite but you could definitely do worse. LG - Ike Boettger - Colts practice squad and Quinton Spain C - Mitch Morse - solid RG - Brian Winters - terrible, out of the league RT - Daryl Williams - terrible, out of the league Allen's playmaking/risk taking has led to the Bills OL being overrated for years. They're a bottom 10 unit that had a chunk play through the air, run-up-the-middle QB. That said, Cincinnati has been a bottom 3-ish unit for just as long. Edited September 14, 2023 by HoboRocket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Josh Allen suffers from Brett Farve syndrome. So physically gifted with the ability to make any and every NFL throw you can ask for on the field. He takes to many risks. Plays to much Hero ball. Hence the TO's the past few seasons. Like Farve, the live for another play, doesn't exist. Not when I "think" I can make it now. Like Brett, you take the phenomenal with the bad. Is what it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 You guys can’t say this None of you are allowed to say any of this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I don't think this is just a Week 1 overreaction. We saw it last season as well. I don't blame it all on Allen though. Failure to establish your run game also limits your options through the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 54 minutes ago, Soko said: You guys can’t say this None of you are allowed to say any of this Spoiler May I interest you in some baboon snot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, y*so*blu said: I don't think this is just a Week 1 overreaction. We saw it last season as well. I don't blame it all on Allen though. Failure to establish your run game also limits your options through the air. The Bills were arguably the 2nd best offense in the NFL last season (2nd in DVOA, 2nd in yards/play, 2nd in points/game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Scoundrel said: Reveal hidden contents May I interest you in some baboon snot? As long as you don’t criticize Josh Allen Joe Mixon ran for 1000 yards jsyk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, AngusMcFife said: The Bills were arguably the 2nd best offense in the NFL last season (2nd in DVOA, 2nd in yards/play, 2nd in points/game). Yep. Lazy *** takes with the Daboll stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: Yep. Lazy *** takes with the Daboll stuff Congrats on your 2nd-best offense trophy, but it didn't help the Bills go any deeper in the playoffs. If Allen's turnovers are a factor, there's no reason it shouldn't be discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 5 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: The Bills were arguably the 2nd best offense in the NFL last season (2nd in DVOA, 2nd in yards/play, 2nd in points/game). Again, both can be true. No one in here has said they have a bad offense, are a bad team, or that Josh Allen is a bad QB. But for all those things they were 2nd in last year in a good way, guess what, they were also the 2nd worst offense in the NFL in turnovers. Both can be true. And all of it is what adds up to this team that can blow out a ton of teams, they can beat the Chiefs and blow out the Titans and the Steelers and the Rams, and then lose to Zach Wilson this year on a Josh Allen 3 INT, 2 fumble, 1 fumble lost game. Or lose to the Urban Meyer Jaguars on a Josh Allen 2 INT, 1 fumble, 1 fumble lost game. Or almost get knocked out of the playoffs by Skylar Thompson on a Josh Allen 2 INT, 7 sack, 3 fumble, 1 fumble lost game. The problem with turnovers is the volatility. They create dramatic variance within the game. This should have been a coast to a safe win game for the Bills. They should've been able to slow play things, focus on not screwing up, and won with room to spare. Josh Allen instead demonstrated either an inability or an unwillingness to do that. Either is concerning. And this game could really matter. The margins are thin at the top. Every year since the league switched the playoff format to 7 teams per conference, the Bills have missed the 1st round bye by one game. Now, 2020 that game was the loss to KC. But after that? If they beat the Jaguars in 2021, they would've had the bye and the 1 seed. The Jets or the Vikings last year, same deal. Winnable games with brutal Josh Allen turnovers. Now 100% there's a ton of other games on those schedules they wouldn't have won without the greatness Allen brings, but this is something he needs to fix. And it is fair to point that out. We don't have to just bow down because they're good. Flaws deserve to be discussed as well. Hell, pop into the Chiefs forum, and as much as we adore what Andy Reid has done for us, you'll see us all complaining about how the man can't get the offense to gain 1 yard to save his life. He can scheme up 3rd and 15 just fine, but man he struggles to get 1, and it's fair to criticize that even though he's an all-time great. Both things can be true and relevant. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said: Congrats on your 2nd-best offense trophy, but it didn't help the Bills go any deeper in the playoffs. If Allen's turnovers are a factor, there's no reason it shouldn't be discussed. He’s not saying it shouldn’t be discussed, he’s saying Daboll didn’t prevent turnovers for Allen either and the offense didn’t have some major regression after he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Trentwannabe said: He’s not saying it shouldn’t be discussed, he’s saying Daboll didn’t prevent turnovers for Allen either and the offense didn’t have some major regression after he left. Actually, the numbers were posted earlier in the thread; Allen's turnover rate has been noticeably higher since 2022, week one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Reminds me of Stafford a decade ago in that he likes to play fast and loose no matter the opponent or game situation. Only problem with that is you never know what you're going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: Actually, the numbers were posted earlier in the thread; Allen's turnover rate has been noticeably higher since 2022, week one. You're not wrong. He had a down year last year compared to prior years But I do kinda feel like it's within the realm of standard deviation, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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