Tim Boyle to start for the Jets Friday

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

15 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

Have you looked through our roster? Yeah, the AR crew is garbage, but outside of them we have studs all over the team.

Plus, I seriously doubt this was a JD plan and not a decision that came from ownership. "Give Aaron whatever he wants to come here" is exactly the thing Woody would say, and honestly it worked. You can't anticipate a freak injury.

Not on offense, apparently...

[NJerseypaint]

Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Not on offense, apparently...

Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson say otherwise.

But our real woes (outside QB) are at OL. We've had 7 different OL combinations in 10 games thanks to injuries. Some of that is on JD because the Laken is garbage and expecting Duane Brown to live a whole season was optimistic at best. But Becton and AVT (and hopefully Tippmann and Mitchell) are pieces to build around.

[Ozzy]

4 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson say otherwise.

But our real woes (outside QB) are at OL. We've had 7 different OL combinations in 10 games thanks to injuries. Some of that is on JD because the Laken is garbage and expecting Duane Brown to live a whole season was optimistic at best. But Becton and AVT (and hopefully Tippmann and Mitchell) are pieces to build around.

Max Mitchell is a piece to build around?  He sucks at RT and would be lucky to be a career backup in the NFL.  Tippmann I am not sold on that guy long term either, and clearly Vera Tucker is good but if he cannot stay healthy he is worthless, same with Becton.  

 

As for this roster of studs, outside of Wilson they have no good WR honestly especially if one is looking long term.  It is Wilson and that is it and that is a big problem.  They have depth at TE but do not really use them well, Uzomah had a great year on the Bengals, obviously has not on the Jets and Conklin is just ok at TE.  On D that third LB is a big issue because Sherwood is not the answer.  When Carter goes out they have issues in the slot and safety they have depth but no one is really that elite.  Ahmad Gardner is good but obviously has not been nearly as dominating at CB than he was last year.  They have a great pass rush no question and even with Lawson basically doing nothing this year as a Jet they are totally fine without him they are so deep on the edge.  That is rock solid and full of studs but not sure they will be able to keep them, Lawson and Huff are both gone but they can handle that with McDonald.

 

The OL having issues, WR issues, safety issues with three being free agents coming up also.  So they are not nearly as set as you think especially long term.  Sure if they had Aaron Rodgers it would help mask some things but he would have taken a beating just like Zach Wilson with all these injuries on the OL.  And if Rodgers did not get hurt that first game, if all those injuries happened on the OL, he would have got hurt at some other point no doubt about it.  

 

Sure the Jets seemed close but compared to say the 49ers, they are way off.  49ers have elite players at almost every position especially on offense.  They have way more than just one good WR and on the OL they develop guys way better than the Jets and have more depth at LB than the Jets do if one is not looking at edge pass rushers but actual LBs who cover and tackle.  Also the secondary is more solid top to bottom than the Jets.  

 

Especially considering that what the Jets were better or as good as the 89 Bears defense?  Yeah no, third most rush yards given up in the NFL in yards per game.  They are good but clearly not as good as they were hyped up to be regardless of how the offense plays.  Great defenses play great despite bad offense, prime example the 2000 Ravens.

[NJerseypaint]

11 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

Max Mitchell is a piece to build around?  He sucks at RT and would be lucky to be a career backup in the NFL.  Tippmann I am not sold on that guy long term either, and clearly Vera Tucker is good but if he cannot stay healthy he is worthless, same with Becton.  

 

As for this roster of studs, outside of Wilson they have no good WR honestly especially if one is looking long term.  It is Wilson and that is it and that is a big problem.  They have depth at TE but do not really use them well, Uzomah had a great year on the Bengals, obviously has not on the Jets and Conklin is just ok at TE.  On D that third LB is a big issue because Sherwood is not the answer.  When Carter goes out they have issues in the slot and safety they have depth but no one is really that elite.  Ahmad Gardner is good but obviously has not been nearly as dominating at CB than he was last year.  They have a great pass rush no question and even with Lawson basically doing nothing this year as a Jet they are totally fine without him they are so deep on the edge.  That is rock solid and full of studs but not sure they will be able to keep them, Lawson and Huff are both gone but they can handle that with McDonald.

 

The OL having issues, WR issues, safety issues with three being free agents coming up also.  So they are not nearly as set as you think especially long term.  Sure if they had Aaron Rodgers it would help mask some things but he would have taken a beating just like Zach Wilson with all these injuries on the OL.  And if Rodgers did not get hurt that first game, if all those injuries happened on the OL, he would have got hurt at some other point no doubt about it.  

 

Sure the Jets seemed close but compared to say the 49ers, they are way off.  49ers have elite players at almost every position especially on offense.  They have way more than just one good WR and on the OL they develop guys way better than the Jets and have more depth at LB than the Jets do if one is not looking at edge pass rushers but actual LBs who cover and tackle.  Also the secondary is more solid top to bottom than the Jets.  

 

Especially considering that what the Jets were better or as good as the 89 Bears defense?  Yeah no, third most rush yards given up in the NFL in yards per game.  They are good but clearly not as good as they were hyped up to be regardless of how the offense plays.  Great defenses play great despite bad offense, prime example the 2000 Ravens.

Hopefully Max Mitchell and Tippmann. Not saying they are good, but Max was solid before he went down last year and has been a liability this year, so hoping its an off year. Tippmann is obviously a rookie.

And way to undersell the entire defense. Oh man, our 3rd string LB isn't so good, JD needs to go.

• Sauce, DJ, and MC2 are as good as it gets as a CB trio. Our actually starting SS is on IR, but Whitehead, Adams, and Davis have been solid.
• Mosley and Quincy are the top LB duo in the NFL right now. For all the flack Mosley got last year for his slowness, he's been the nucleus of our defense and has been great in coverage.
• And even you couldn't say anything about our DL except for "you can't keep 'em all".

Then you go on to say we aren't comparable with the most talented roster in the entire NFL? Why is that the marker? Can't JD be a good GM for building a roster that is better than most of the NFL?

Bottom line. Our roster has studs, and a good amount. Jets have at least 4 all-pro level players that are still on rookie contracts (GW, Hall, Sauce, Quinnen), others on the rise (Huff, JJ), with a bunch of FA signings that have hit (Reed, Quincy, JFM, Whitehead). All this after the Jets had years where 0 of their picks and FAs worked out. JD inherited an entirely talentless team and now we're only a few pieces away from being a top NFL. I don't want to give up now.

[Soko]

Wild how Rodgers spent all those years with “just Davante Adams” at receiver, had some pieces on OL, had a playcaller he was comfortable with, and a defense that had a couple guys up front and a stud corner…

And then comes to the Jets, bring in all those WRs with “just Garrett Wilson”, has an even worse OL, the same playcaller he’s comfortable with, and a defense that has one guy up front (good LBers), and a stud corner. 

Anyways. I believe Saleh’s hand has been forced every step of the way as far as QB goes. From drafting Zach, to sticking to Zach, to going for Rodgers, to sticking with Zach again…seems like there’s been other strings attached. Unfortunate. I don’t know what NY is doing - if you’re trying to win, there are and have been other QBs available that could’ve won you more games. If you’re trying to tank, you make this move weeks ago. If you want to see what you have in Zach, you keep him going for the season. No direction.

[TitanLegend]

Tim Boyle having a job in the NFL should initiate a criminal investigation.

There's probably 15 undrafted/unsigned free agent QBs from this past draft alone that I'd rather sign and start, much less a guy say like Colt McCoy.

[Tugboat]

Weird.

 

I forgot the Jets were even still playing this year.

[Ozzy]

On 11/20/2023 at 9:40 PM, NJerseypaint said:

Hopefully Max Mitchell and Tippmann. Not saying they are good, but Max was solid before he went down last year and has been a liability this year, so hoping its an off year. Tippmann is obviously a rookie.

And way to undersell the entire defense. Oh man, our 3rd string LB isn't so good, JD needs to go.

• Sauce, DJ, and MC2 are as good as it gets as a CB trio. Our actually starting SS is on IR, but Whitehead, Adams, and Davis have been solid.
• Mosley and Quincy are the top LB duo in the NFL right now. For all the flack Mosley got last year for his slowness, he's been the nucleus of our defense and has been great in coverage.
• And even you couldn't say anything about our DL except for "you can't keep 'em all".

Then you go on to say we aren't comparable with the most talented roster in the entire NFL? Why is that the marker? Can't JD be a good GM for building a roster that is better than most of the NFL?

Bottom line. Our roster has studs, and a good amount. Jets have at least 4 all-pro level players that are still on rookie contracts (GW, Hall, Sauce, Quinnen), others on the rise (Huff, JJ), with a bunch of FA signings that have hit (Reed, Quincy, JFM, Whitehead). All this after the Jets had years where 0 of their picks and FAs worked out. JD inherited an entirely talentless team and now we're only a few pieces away from being a top NFL. I don't want to give up now.

49ers, Eagles, Chiefs, Dallas and possibly Cleveland, Baltimore, Miami and Detroit all have better rosters top to bottom than the Jets so they are not that damn close to winning a Super Bowl just based on pure depth and talent top to bottom.

 

Becton and Vera Tucker with how they have been injured the past two years not sure one can put any long term faith into them as players until they prove they can actually stay on the field, especially Vera Tucker.  So then long term their future is Max Mitchell at RT, that is awful and with those other two and their injury issues who knows about those positions either.  So the fact that OL is such a mess, honestly they have no shot until that is fixed.  There is no great team in the NFL currently with a crap or injured OL.  Even the Texans who had great OL depth coming into the year, they needed it with all the major injuries they have had and they have done well because of that depth and being able to move guys around to fill in and play well.  

 

 

As for the LBs, yeah Mosley is great Quincy Williams is just ok.  Absolutely no way are they better than Fred Warner/Dre Greenlaw on the 49ers if just looking at two LB and in terms of a pure three LBs in a 4/3 defense Nick Bolton/Willie Gay/Drue Tranquill are the best three as a unit in the NFL.  Same with possibly Parsons and Vander Esch and Devin White/LaVante David but both have one of those guys injured so it hurts them, and Parsons sure is more of a 3/4 edge so might not be included.  Oh and there is Roquan Smith/Patrick Queen who are rock solid and Roquan is a super star ILB.  LB play in general is down though because so many are just becoming edge rushers and a lot of teams might only play two LBs with a nickel defender or a third safety.  Crazy teams can still stop the run but they can however a lot of that is because of down OL play as well outside of the top teams.  

 

Still the Jets are talented and have a good group of young talented players but they need to fill a lot of pieces and work on proven depth before they are considered some shoe in for the Super Bowl.  

[SteelKing728]

I said before the season that the Jets needed to upgrade their backup QB. Zach Wilson ain't it. 

I'd rather sign Matt Ryan, Colt McCoy or even Nick Foleswalker

[SteelKing728]

This summarizes Zach Wilson's entire career lol

[SteelKing728]

Anyways, i looked at 2021 mock drafts before the season started that year, and Wilson was not listed as a 1st round pick in any mock.

What happened that made him fly up draft boards?

[minutemancl]

44 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said:

Anyways, i looked at 2021 mock drafts before the season started that year, and Wilson was not listed as a 1st round pick in any mock.

What happened that made him fly up draft boards?

He got to play behind a bunch of grown men with wives and kids as his OL at BYU which gave him 3 years of a clean pocket every single snap for an entire year. 

[RuskieTitan]

1 hour ago, minutemancl said:

He got to play behind a bunch of grown men with wives and kids as his OL at BYU which gave him 3 years of a clean pocket every single snap for an entire year. 

Have the Jets tried to give him a clean pocket? Are they stupid?

[Ozzy]

2 hours ago, SteelKing728 said:

Anyways, i looked at 2021 mock drafts before the season started that year, and Wilson was not listed as a 1st round pick in any mock.

What happened that made him fly up draft boards?

I think that season was the COVID year was it not, so easy crowds or basically no crowds to play against.  I also recall that BYU played no one, their hardest game was against Boise State who was nothing great that year and then against Coastal Carolina which was their hardest game technically and they lost.  The "clean pocket" was the crappy competition not so much the amazing OL, it was good but I would not say it was great or something, but again that competition they looked great.

 

They had Allgeier as the RB which helped also but the competition and conditions helped him no doubt.   

 

But clearly NFL teams love QBs with arm talent that are mobile and can create off schedule throwing on the move.  Some liked his workout and again it was COVID times so people kind of jumped on potential because they did not have much else to go on.  Same with Trey Lance being athletic and his ability to create plays with his legs or arm.

 

Still I would rather start Zach Wilson than Tim Boyle.  Might as well ride out Wilson and see if he can do anything behind that awful OL.  Tim Boyle has no long term potential.

[nagahide13]

6 hours ago, SteelKing728 said:

Anyways, i looked at 2021 mock drafts before the season started that year, and Wilson was not listed as a 1st round pick in any mock.

What happened that made him fly up draft boards?

He threw 1 roll out at a pro day. Not kidding.