VigilantZombie Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, pf9 said: If the NFL was anything like college football the Seahawks would push to get that title vacated. Seahawks lost, get over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, pf9 said: If the NFL was anything like college football the Seahawks would push to get that title vacated. That wasn't the Script the NFL had that season, get it straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) @pf9 who is your team again since this is a Ace like yearly thread creation? Edited December 28, 2023 by Nabbs4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 Again think about it though. If winning your division didn't guarantee you a home playoff game there would be even more jockeying for seeding. If the Bucs won on Sunday they would not rest their starters the following week because they'd be playing to get as good a seed as possible instead of being locked into the 4 seed in the NFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, pf9 said: Again think about it though. If winning your division didn't guarantee you a home playoff game there would be even more jockeying for seeding. If the Bucs won on Sunday they would not rest their starters the following week because they'd be playing to get as good a seed as possible instead of being locked into the 4 seed in the NFC. You just described every single team in the playoffs. You think the 49ers or Ravens play starters if the #1 seed is locked up next week? Detroit, Miami or the Eagles if the #2 seed is locked up? Tampa knows they are playing the NFCE 2nd place team, period. Why should they care? Because Dallas's feeling might get hurt because they SUCK playing on the road? Gimme a break. If the Cowboys wanted Homefield advantage they shouldn't of lost the last 2 games OR more importantly to a team picking in the top 5 of the NFL draft, probably #2 overall earlier in the year. Go on the road to an actual Division Winner, win against that supposed inferior team with the "un quote" worse record or STFU and go home after that loss. Simple as that. Edited December 28, 2023 by Nabbs4u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I get the idea of winning a division meaning something, but I think there’s a limit to it. The Browns are a good example this year as mentioned when looking at playing a road game vs the AFCS winner. What does winning the AFCS mean exactly? It’s not a good division. The Browns went 4-0 against the AFCS this year in fact but in all likelihood will be traveling to the AFCS winner in a couple weeks. There are 3 teams that are 8-7 that lead the AFCS. 8-7 is the Bengals record and they’re in last place. Oh, and theyre 0-5 in the division, meaning they’re 8-2 when they get the opportunity to play a non divisional opponent. Similar situation with Dallas and Tampa. Dallas has 2 more wins, better conference record, better division record, much better point differential, etc. I’m all for winning a division being a guarantee for a playoff spot regardless as to how putrid the division is, but I’d love to see some way for non division winners to host playoff games if they have a better season. Some sort of combination of total wins, strength of schedule, out of division record, point differential, etc. I just don’t see any reason for division winners to be guaranteed to host other than “because that’s how it’s always been done” or “winning your division matters” when in reality it only matters sometimes. Sometimes you’re just the shiniest turd. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I get the idea of winning a division meaning something, but I think there’s a limit to it. The Browns are a good example this year as mentioned when looking at playing a road game vs the AFCS winner. What does winning the AFCS mean exactly? It’s not a good division. The Browns went 4-0 against the AFCS this year in fact but in all likelihood will be traveling to the AFCS winner in a couple weeks. There are 3 teams that are 8-7 that lead the AFCS. 8-7 is the Bengals record and they’re in last place. Oh, and theyre 0-5 in the division, meaning they’re 8-2 when they get the opportunity to play a non divisional opponent. Similar situation with Dallas and Tampa. Dallas has 2 more wins, better conference record, better division record, much better point differential, etc. I’m all for winning a division being a guarantee for a playoff spot regardless as to how putrid the division is, but I’d love to see some way for non division winners to host playoff games if they have a better season. Some sort of combination of total wins, strength of schedule, out of division record, point differential, etc. I just don’t see any reason for division winners to be guaranteed to host other than “because that’s how it’s always been done” or “winning your division matters” when in reality it only matters sometimes. Sometimes you’re just the shiniest turd. Shiniest turd like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: The Browns are a good example this year as mentioned when looking at playing a road game vs the AFCS winner. What does winning the AFCS mean exactly? It’s not a good division. The Browns went 4-0 against the AFCS this year in fact but in all likelihood will be traveling to the AFCS winner in a couple weeks. The refs handed you the win in Indy, let’s be clear. But since it’s so easy to beat AFCS teams you should have no trouble doing it again in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: Shiniest turd like this? You’re both cherry picking the example and missing the point entirely. Im not arguing upsets can’t happen, I’m saying that 7-9 Seahawks team didn’t earn the right to have home field advantage against a team that won 4 more games in the regular season IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: The refs handed you the win in Indy, let’s be clear. Let’s also be clear, I didn’t play in that game so they didn’t hand me anything. 😂 19 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: But since it’s so easy to beat AFCS teams This is straw man, do better. 19 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: you should have no trouble doing it again in January. the point was never that an AFCS team couldn’t win against Cleveland (or anyone else), simply that winning a division shouldn’t necessarily guarantee a home game. Winning a division is only as impressive as the teams in the division, which sometimes isn’t all that impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I think the division winner regardless of how bad the division is should guarantee them a spot in the playoffs, however once the season is over every team should be reseeded based on overall record/conference record/head to head. A division winner should not be rewarded with home field in the playoffs just because they play in a bad division and it was easier for them to get there over a WC team who has a better record that plays in a harder division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: You’re both cherry picking the example and missing the point entirely. Im not arguing upsets can’t happen, I’m saying that 7-9 Seahawks team didn’t earn the right to have home field advantage against a team that won 4 more games in the regular season IMO. I disagree completely. Adding an extra chance for teams with good records should be good enough. Why should anyone be the league champion if they can't even win their own division? Wild card is already an extra chance. They are lucky to have that chance, so they have to go on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Let’s also be clear, I didn’t play in that game so they didn’t hand me anything. 😂 What a weird angle to single out - yes, I was under the mistaken impression that you played for the Cleveland Browns. You got me lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I disagree completely. Adding an extra chance for teams with good records should be good enough. fair enough. 24 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: Why should anyone be the league champion if they can't even win their own division? Because all divisions aren’t equal in strength/difficulty. 24 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: Wild card is already an extra chance. They are lucky to have that chance, so they have to go on the road. Just as lucky as those teams who get to play in divisions full of poor teams I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 On 12/25/2023 at 10:29 PM, pf9 said: The NFL needs to realize that not every division winner is worthy of opening the playoffs at home. Right now in both conferences there is a non-division leader that has a better record than the leader of another division in the conference. I'm paying particular attention to Cleveland which is now 10-5 but is in second place in the AFC North while Jacksonville leads the AFC South at 8-7. The Browns have never hosted a playoff game at their current venue, a result of the NFL not forcing Art Modell to sell the Browns in 1995 while being awarded a version of the Ravens built through an expansion draft. The last home playoff game hosted by the Browns was at the old stadium in 1994. By removing seeding priority for division winners - something I praise the NBA for - it will make potential playoff teams fight harder to earn a particular seed. Two interesting scenarios can come from this: 1. A division winner being so bad they are saddled with the 7th seed and thus having no chance at a home playoff game going on to win the Super Bowl. 2. The top two seeds come from the same division, potentially setting up the biggest game in the rivalry's history in the conference championship game. Before responding consider this. Anyone who claims to be an NFL fan but does not want this is not really an NFL fan. Had me until the final line. never change pf9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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