BetterCallSaul Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 We all know of the bad stories…are there opposite examples? Have there ever been dudes in the league that were awful humans and then turned it around post-NFL? Like a Pacman Jones becoming a good person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 38 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: We all know of the bad stories…are there opposite examples? Have there ever been dudes in the league that were awful humans and then turned it around post-NFL? Like a Pacman Jones becoming a good person? Is there a threshold for how good a player had to have been to be considered a post football success story? If not, guys like Carl Weathers and Terry Crews come to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Ravens recently had a Legends of the Game day dedicated to Ray Rice. IDK if people think of him as a bad guy. But I think if you look at the totality of his life outside the one "incident" he's a good guy and worthy of rehabilitating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, AngusMcFife said: IDK if people think of him as a bad guy. You don't know if people think of him as a bad guy? Nah, he's a good chap. A simple "incident," as you call it, shouldn't tarnish his legacy. Who hasn't beaten a woman into unconsciousness once or twice in their lifetime? Edited January 24 by BetterCallSaul 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: You don't know if people think of him as a bad guy? Nah, he's a good chap. A simple "incident," as you call it, shouldn't tarnish his legacy. Who hasn't beaten a woman into unconsciousness once or twice in their lifetime? Exactly, I'm glad you see it my way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Ryan Leaf maybe? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I love what Cam is doing. For many he’s polarizing figure. He’s just a brother being him and putting people on. His style and his writing is trash. Besides that he’s a good freaking dude man. He knows what he’s talking about. He got a lot of hate for his recent takes but he’s been money.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Johnny Manziel? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, El Ramster said: I love what Cam is doing. For many he’s polarizing figure. He’s just a brother being him and putting people on. His style and his writing is trash. Besides that he’s a good freaking dude man. He knows what he’s talking about. He got a lot of hate for his recent takes but he’s been money.. He's really entertaining and definitely has a very valid and hard-earned perspective. He does do a ton of good for a bunch of different communities. I don't particularly like him as a person though. He doesn't take accountability very well. Never did. He was never a bad guy, just someone that constantly shirked from certain responsibilities. Tony Mandarich and Brian Bosworth came to mind for me. They were both doped up, incredibly un-liked, and busted hard. I'm not sure if they were particularly bad people, but they both ended up seemingly decent human beings with a large portfolio of charity work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Charles Haley. Was known as a guy that was borderline crazy while he played, but it was discovered later that he was bipolar. Took him a long time to seek out help, but he finally did, and he's a lot better for it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 14 hours ago, JohnChimpo said: Ryan Leaf maybe? His interview on the pivot podcast was pretty good. Good to see he overcame his addiction and is doing better. Edited January 24 by Blackstar12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 14 hours ago, JohnChimpo said: Ryan Leaf maybe? Without question. I'd add Montee Ball too. He's spoken out about alcoholism and his own recovery. And for every person like Leaf and Ball who speak publicly, there are probably a lot of other former NFL guys who got themselves sober without the fanfare of being a formerly famous player. Edited January 24 by ramssuperbowl99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 12 hours ago, Blackstar12 said: His interview on the pivot podcast was pretty good. Good to see he overcame his addiction and is doing better. I hope so. He's had puff pieces about turning over a new leaf (sorry), only to get arrested again. Regardless of the drug problems, he seems a lot more humble than 20 years ago. Edited January 25 by redsoxsuck05 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson has been sober for 40 years and won the freaking lottery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 59 minutes ago, redsoxsuck05 said: I hope so. He's had puff pieces about turning over a new leaf (sorry), only to get arrested again. Regardless of the drug problems, he seems a lot more humble than 20 years ago. This interview was good made me think of him differently. He seemed to mature and learn from his past mistakes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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