Week 15 Game Day Thread

[Kip Smithers]

3 minutes ago, BillSabre said:

It's quite clear that it wasn't quite clear or we wouldn't be arguing about it.

Well the gif below shows it

[kramxel]

1 minute ago, Starless said:

You can clearly see the ball jostle loose after his elbow hits the ground. He still has a couple of fingers under it, but that ball is clearly not under control.

The movement of his hands is what makes the ball spin, and the ball can actually move, IF his hands are underneath it.

[showtime]

3 minutes ago, Starless said:

You can clearly see the ball jostle loose after his elbow hits the ground. He still has a couple of fingers under it, but that ball is clearly not under control.

The left hand comes off the ball entirely and it's not secure in the right. It's not a catch.

That's some quality gif work.  With a super slow motion replay, it does indeed appear the ball possibly bounced off the ground a bit then the receiver regains control.

Either way, the ref was right to call it the way he did based on the rule.

[Kip Smithers]

1 minute ago, BillSabre said:

A wise man once told me you can't argue with stupid so I'm gracefully bowing out of this conversation. Good night folks. 

Good job taking your own advice

[kramxel]

5 minutes ago, BillSabre said:

It's quite clear that it wasn't quite clear or we wouldn't be arguing about it.

So much this!

 

[Apparition]

Just now, kramxel said:

The movement of his hands is what makes the ball spin, and the ball can actually move, IF his hands are underneath it.

Oh come on, man. It's pretty obvious by the way his left hand comes off the ball entirely that it's the impact of his elbow hitting the ground that jars it loose.

[DLF54927]

Just now, JustAnotherFan said:

That's not even arguable because he was a receiver not a runner and therefore he had to maintain possession all the way through the play. 

I know, but at least that'd be reasonable, just against the current rules.

Acting like the ball is spinning/hovering an inch or two off the ground or in his hand while maintaining control?

Nope.

 

[Kip Smithers]

Like there is a gif that @Starless posted that shows the bell clearly hitting th ground yet people are still arguing it didn’t. Come on man

[kramxel]

Just now, Starless said:

Oh come on, man. It's pretty obvious by the way his left hand comes off the ball entirely that it's the impact of his elbow hitting the ground that jars it loose.

Yeah, the left hand comes off while the right one is under it.

 

[mission27]

Just now, kramxel said:

The movement of his hands is what makes the ball spin, and the ball can actually move, IF his hands are underneath it.

Hands don't just have to be under it they have to be 100% under it, i.e. zero contact with the ground, OR it has to be determined that he had control throughout.  The ball was clearly jostled so if it even grazed one blade of grass its an incompletion by the letter of the law (as stupid as that is).

Not sure what angle they used to determine it hit the ground, if they just inferred it, or if a ref saw it live and just didn't realize the ball moved that much.  Either way seems highly unlikely the ball in that position, moving that way, didn't make some incidental contact with the ground.

[Apparition]

1 minute ago, kramxel said:

Yeah, the left hand comes off while the right one is under it.

 

The ground is doing more work than his hand there, my dude. Unless James is a relative of Wolverine and his adamantine claws extend to keep the ball from hitting the ground just as his left hand comes off the ball, that right there's a trap.

[wackywabbit]

6 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said:

Like there is a gif that @Starless posted that shows the bell clearly hitting th ground yet people are still arguing it didn’t. Come on man

Where? It most likely did hit the ground. I haven't seen a gif that clearly shows it hitting the ground. Can't see the ball touch grass and his right hand is at least partially under the ball. Most likely the right call, but questionable to overturn it. 

You make it seem like there is a still where you see the ball touch green(white?). Please share it, then. Because that would end this discussion.

[TXsteeler]

8 minutes ago, Starless said:

First half of this sentence isn't true and the second half is irrelevant because the ball does hit the ground.

Control doesn't matter until the play is over. The play isn't over until the ball hits the ground, goes out of bounds, or is party of a score.

It never went out of bounds and there is no conclusive evidence it hit the ground in this play, at all.

[Apparition]

Just now, TXsteeler said:

Control doesn't matter until the play is over. The play isn't over until the ball hits the ground, goes out of bounds, or is party of a score.

It never went out of bounds and there is no conclusive evidence it hit the ground in this play, at all.

Save it for Dez Bryant.

[TXsteeler]

7 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said:

Like there is a gif that @Starless posted that shows the bell clearly hitting th ground yet people are still arguing it didn’t. Come on man

Not at all. The gif shows the ball moving but never shows ground contacting ball because his arm is in front of it. You cannot prove it wasn't his other hand that moved the ball.