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Vikings QB JJ McCarthy out for season (torn meniscus)


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3 hours ago, TheKillerNacho said:

6 wins and they're probably safe, but I don't know if that's guaranteed; 4 or less would definitely put them in the danger zone. Bear in mind - neither GM nor O'Connell is under contract beyond 2025 and the owner has stated there's no discussions to extend them.

Unless the wheels come off completely, I have to think that KOC is probably safe in terms of job security next year.  You don't trade up for JJ McCarthy and give up future draft capital to land Dallas Turner without a plan in place.  And that plan presumably involved JJ McCarthy.

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1 hour ago, drew39k said:

I hope that dude balls out. It's his first chance at starting on a team that isn't super trash tier.

You're really going to call the Jets trash tier? That's an insult to trash, isn't it? 

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10 hours ago, ET80 said:

This ultimately might be the best for him - study, rehab, learn what it means to prepare as an NFL QB. 

I could see this if the surgery goes well.  But this sounds like a serious injury.  Most run of the mill meniscus surgeries wouldn't have him out for the season.  

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10 hours ago, offbyone said:

I could see this if the surgery goes well.  But this sounds like a serious injury.  Most run of the mill meniscus surgeries wouldn't have him out for the season.  

There was some really good info from @squire12 on it - it really depends on what McCarthy requests once they open him up. In many of these instances, they just trim the meniscus and then the player can rehab and get back 4-6 weeks out. There's some long term issues to consider (specifically onset of arthritis and potential bone-on-bone grinding) but the situation becomes less about structural integrity and moreso pain management.

It sounds like McCarthy (and others, this is a joint decision) opted for a repair - they don't just nip and tuck the tear, they repair it And let it heal. Downside? It's a significant recovery period, 8-12 months. Upside? Less worry about early onset arthritis/bone grinding.

Given the Vikings' situation, they may h a jointly made a conservative call - go with Darnold.

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2 hours ago, ET80 said:

There was some really good info from @squire12 on it - it really depends on what McCarthy requests once they open him up. In many of these instances, they just trim the meniscus and then the player can rehab and get back 4-6 weeks out. There's some long term issues to consider (specifically onset of arthritis and potential bone-on-bone grinding) but the situation becomes less about structural integrity and moreso pain management.

It sounds like McCarthy (and others, this is a joint decision) opted for a repair - they don't just nip and tuck the tear, they repair it And let it heal. Downside? It's a significant recovery period, 8-12 months. Upside? Less worry about early onset arthritis/bone grinding.

Given the Vikings' situation, they may h a jointly made a conservative call - go with Darnold.

Either way they have to move focus to Darnold.

I'm just saying a meniscus repair is a major knee surgery and that means he isn't getting reps.  So I don't see any upside here.  First of all, sometimes these repairs fail.  Secondly, McCarthy isn't getting the opportunity to really learn other than the meeting room.  Without the on the field activities, this is a real negative situation for everyone involved.  Super unfortunate.

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2 hours ago, lavar703 said:

What a bummer. He looked great in their first preseason game. 

From the film (QB School with JT O'Sullivan on youtube), while he had plenty to work on as any young QB does, he was playing the position "correctly".

He looked the part of an NFL QB in the sense that he wasn't just reading his 1st option and then running for his life out there.

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17 hours ago, CWood21 said:

Unless the wheels come off completely, I have to think that KOC is probably safe in terms of job security next year.  You don't trade up for JJ McCarthy and give up future draft capital to land Dallas Turner without a plan in place.  And that plan presumably involved JJ McCarthy.

The Bears did just that with Trubisky and Fields. A lot can change over the course of a season.

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58 minutes ago, offbyone said:

Either way they have to move focus to Darnold.

I'm just saying a meniscus repair is a major knee surgery and that means he isn't getting reps.  So I don't see any upside here.  First of all, sometimes these repairs fail.  Secondly, McCarthy isn't getting the opportunity to really learn other than the meeting room.  Without the on the field activities, this is a real negative situation for everyone involved.  Super unfortunate.

What about meniscus repair makes it major knee surgery vs a partial menisectomy?

Yes sometimes the meniscus repair can fail. Then you can still do a menisectomy. 

 

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58 minutes ago, squire12 said:

What about meniscus repair makes it major knee surgery vs a partial menisectomy?

Yes sometimes the meniscus repair can fail. Then you can still do a menisectomy. 

 

You are absolutely right.  If it fails though that is a big problem.  Meniscus repair means sewing together soft tissue in an area of the body that gets very little blood flow which makes healing difficult.  Significant repairs can require the patient to be non-weight bearing for extended periods of time.  This makes recovery much more challenging.  In some ways an ACL repair is an easier surgery to recover from.  This is just them fixing stability issues.  Meniscus is soft tissue stuff that is a bit harder to heal clean.

 

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18 minutes ago, offbyone said:

You are absolutely right.  If it fails though that is a big problem.  Meniscus repair means sewing together soft tissue in an area of the body that gets very little blood flow which makes healing difficult.  Significant repairs can require the patient to be non-weight bearing for extended periods of time.  This makes recovery much more challenging.  In some ways an ACL repair is an easier surgery to recover from.  This is just them fixing stability issues.  Meniscus is soft tissue stuff that is a bit harder to heal clean.

 

They are very likely only reparing the meniscus in the red-red zone... higher chance to heal.  Often adding some form of trephination to stimulate blood flow and stem cells to the joint/meniscus repair/healing. 

In no way is an ACL tear and reconstruction an easier recovery.  The neurological changes after an ACL tear and reconstruction are considerable more complex than anything like a meniscus repair.

Non weight-bearing after meniscus repair is if it is a very large tear or involving the meniscus root.  If it is that,  then repair and recovery are the better option vs choosing the quicker menisectomy to get back to playing sooner.

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2 hours ago, squire12 said:

They are very likely only reparing the meniscus in the red-red zone... higher chance to heal.  Often adding some form of trephination to stimulate blood flow and stem cells to the joint/meniscus repair/healing. 

In no way is an ACL tear and reconstruction an easier recovery.  The neurological changes after an ACL tear and reconstruction are considerable more complex than anything like a meniscus repair.

Non weight-bearing after meniscus repair is if it is a very large tear or involving the meniscus root.  If it is that,  then repair and recovery are the better option vs choosing the quicker menisectomy to get back to playing sooner.

We will never know the details of the injury, but I am just inferring from the "he's done for the season" that it isn't a simple repair.   6 weeks non weight bearing for meniscus repairs is pretty common.  ACL you are on that thing pretty quick.  The ACL recovery is gonna be longer though no doubt, but outcome rates on a basic ACL are very good compared to complex meniscus repairs.  Many meniscus repairs fail and patients have to go back and get it snipped.  Think about it.  6 weeks non weight bearing puts you at october.  Another 12 weeks until full return to sport recovery puts you into December.  There is basically the season.  Just saying.  Complete speculation, just lines up.  

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