Caleb Williams

[Vladimir L]

I want to see Caleb in 0* weather with 30 mph wind

 

does not seem like a qb friendly city 

[Epyon]

4 hours ago, Vladimir L said:

I want to see Caleb in 0* weather with 30 mph wind

 

does not seem like a qb friendly city 

We'll likely be a dome team within 5 or so years, though for Caleb to still be the qb in 5 years, he'll presumably already have proven himself. 

[Epyon]

4 hours ago, Pugger said:

Chicago is a place where QBs go to die.  Even Fields is looking competent now that he is in Pittsburgh.  

Fields looks exactly the same as he did in Chicago, so far. Steelers defense is hard carrying, and Fields is just game managing, with his typical really high time to throw. 

He's an NFL level qb, to be sure... But absolutely more of a "guy you win with" than a "guy you win because of". That said, he worked his *** off in Chicago, and was nothing but an awesome guy character wise. Hopefully he can put it together more and take the next step he never could in Chicago, and hopefully he actually gets the tools he never had here as well. 

[Steelersfan43]

2 hours ago, Epyon said:

Fields looks exactly the same as he did in Chicago, so far. Steelers defense is hard carrying, and Fields is just game managing, with his typical really high time to throw. 

He's an NFL level qb, to be sure... But absolutely more of a "guy you win with" than a "guy you win because of". That said, he worked his *** off in Chicago, and was nothing but an awesome guy character wise. Hopefully he can put it together more and take the next step he never could in Chicago, and hopefully he actually gets the tools he never had here as well. 

I am not sure Fields is the same so far that he was in Chicago...At least he don't hold the ball too long right now

 

[Epyon]

17 minutes ago, Steelersfan43 said:

I am not sure Fields is the same so far that he was in Chicago...At least he don't hold the ball too long right now

 

Fair enough, was going off the eye test rather than hard numbers, looks like he's actually getting some development from the Steelers staff to speed his game up then. Genuinely good for him, if he can keep improving. 

Hopefully he can also get more passing production numbers as well, when it's needed. The overall output while he was in Chicago was largely anemic, and heavily subsidized with his legs, which was (and did) just going to get him injured... 

[Steelersfan43]

18 minutes ago, Epyon said:

Fair enough, was going off the eye test rather than hard numbers, looks like he's actually getting some development from the Steelers staff to speed his game up then. Genuinely good for him, if he can keep improving. 

Hopefully he can also get more passing production numbers as well, when it's needed. The overall output while he was in Chicago was largely anemic, and heavily subsidized with his legs, which was (and did) just going to get him injured... 

Right now he is in the right direction and I hope he will continue to be better.His passing number would also be much better in the first 2 games if the steelers would not been flag happy in those games.The penalties cost around 80-100 passing yards in the first 2 games to his stat line(he had also only 23 and 20 pass attempts in the first 2 games,so this is hard to have big passing number especially with penalties who cancel some big play!).He had an incredible throw to Pickens vs Denver in week 2 of 50 yards on the run but it was canceled by penalty!

He had only 7 rushing yards in the last game vs chargers but I think it will come since next 2 games for the steelers are against Indy and Dallas, 2 poor run defense. He also has only 1 turnover so far after 3 games, so let's hope he will continue to improve and he will remain our starter!

Edited Thursday at 12:51 PM by Steelersfan43

[Dr A W Niloc]

The amaurosis quarterbacchus continues unabated in Chicago.

===  CompADoT:  Completion % and Average Depth of Target  ===

   2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm
CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p%
              |               |               |
1. N.O.  5  3 | 9. Tenn  6 21 | 17 Wash 32  2 | 25 Miam 19 22
2. S.F.  3  9 | 10 Denv 13 24 | 18 Pitt 24 11 | 26 Detr 21 20
3. Seat 10  4 | 11 Rdrs 30  1 | 19 Phil 22 14 | 27 K.C. 31 10
4. Ariz  9  8 | 12 G.B.  7 25 | 20 Crla  8 29 | 28 Chic 14 28
5. Minn 16  6 | 13 Indi  1 32 | 21 Atla 20 17 | 29 Cinc 27 15
6. Buff 17  5 | 14 Jkvl  2 31 | 22 Clev 12 27 | 30 NYGs 18 30
7. Dall  4 19 | 15 Balt 15 18 | 23 LACh 23 16 | 31 Jets 25 23
8. Hous 11 13 | 16 T.B. 26  7 | 24 Rams 28 12 | 32 N.E. 29 26

28th in completion percentage with one of the two best receiving corps in football is not impressive.  Yes, it was time to take a QB but why not the geeks' choice, Jayden Daniels?

I agree with the consensus that Caleb's inability to beat excellent teams--by definition, the only kind one meets at the pro level--in college was a bright red flag.  Also, it seems that his escape dimension has escaped. 

At some risk of oversimplification, Caleb Williams was an unnecessary risk that has backfired [so far, at least].

 

[PossibleCabbage]

20 hours ago, vegas492 said:

But yeah, for the majority of "future franchise QB draft picks", it is very wise to have them sit for a while.  Maybe "a while" is 8-10 games.  Maybe it is 2 years.  Maybe for some it is 3.  But sitting and learning appears to be the way to make sure you get the most out of your first round (franchise type) QB.

Like the thing about rookies is that even good college players are still rookies and have a lot to learn.  Quarterbacks aren't like pass rushers or DBs where you can play a guy part-time until he adjusts to the NFL game, since you hope that the QB who starts the game is able to finish it.  The downside with "playing a guy a lot when he's not ready"is that this is how you pick up bad habits.  Like Bryce Young in the first two weeks 2024 is unrecognizable compared to that same player at Alabama (except in stature)- he no longer seems to do anything right.

The concern the Bears should have is whether Caleb Williams is picking up bad habits playing for this team this year.  Since it doesn't really seem like he's benefiting much from the live game action he's getting.  Like the amount he was getting hit in Houston was genuinely concerning.

[Soko]

7 hours ago, Epyon said:

We'll likely be a dome team within 5 or so years

Whoever’s responsible should be arrested

[FrantikRam]

I'm not saying he's a bust, obviously too soon to tell on that - but we also can't act like he didn't come into a favorable situation. And to top it off, they've played the Titans and Colts for two of those first three games.

It is perfectly reasonable to say its been disappointing thus far. Not like Daniels has proven world beaters for a coaching staff, he has worse weapons and the Commanders defense hasn't been good.

[MagicMT]

He hasn't been good so far but at least we saw some improvements in week 3. I think he'll turn it around this season and end up strong. 
Also Shane Waldron is such a bad OC and is clearly not the right choice to help develop a rookie QB. Hopefully he is gone soon! 

[Sugashane]

7 hours ago, Dr A W Niloc said:

The amaurosis quarterbacchus continues unabated in Chicago.

===  CompADoT:  Completion % and Average Depth of Target  ===

   2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm |    2024 AD Cm
CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p% | CA 0925 oT p%
              |               |               |
1. N.O.  5  3 | 9. Tenn  6 21 | 17 Wash 32  2 | 25 Miam 19 22
2. S.F.  3  9 | 10 Denv 13 24 | 18 Pitt 24 11 | 26 Detr 21 20
3. Seat 10  4 | 11 Rdrs 30  1 | 19 Phil 22 14 | 27 K.C. 31 10
4. Ariz  9  8 | 12 G.B.  7 25 | 20 Crla  8 29 | 28 Chic 14 28
5. Minn 16  6 | 13 Indi  1 32 | 21 Atla 20 17 | 29 Cinc 27 15
6. Buff 17  5 | 14 Jkvl  2 31 | 22 Clev 12 27 | 30 NYGs 18 30
7. Dall  4 19 | 15 Balt 15 18 | 23 LACh 23 16 | 31 Jets 25 23
8. Hous 11 13 | 16 T.B. 26  7 | 24 Rams 28 12 | 32 N.E. 29 26

28th in completion percentage with one of the two best receiving corps in football is not impressive.  Yes, it was time to take a QB but why not the geeks' choice, Jayden Daniels?

I agree with the consensus that Caleb's inability to beat excellent teams--by definition, the only kind one meets at the pro level--in college was a bright red flag.  Also, it seems that his escape dimension has escaped. 

At some risk of oversimplification, Caleb Williams was an unnecessary risk that has backfired [so far, at least].

 

I mean Allen only played in week 1 and has missed thr last two games, and he dropped the easiest TD he would probably catch all year. So the "one of the best two receiving corps" doesn't hold a lot of weight over 3 games, especially when Rome dropped a TD pass the next game that hit him in the hands then had an INT caused to his drop last week. Especially when you throw in how Waldron's personnel was bizarre, playing Everett over Kmet early on, using Swift for iso runs up the middle etc.

I'm not concerned. It's 4 weeks in so you have half the fans claiming Caleb was a bust and they knew it, but theyll be on the other side of the fence crowing if he has a big second half of the season. Look at Fields. Everyone said he's a RB, can't throw, etc and now he's getting WAY too much credit from the same people for a 3-0 start where PIT has put up less ppg than CHI.

 

[NYRaider]

10 hours ago, FrantikRam said:

I'm not saying he's a bust, obviously too soon to tell on that - but we also can't act like he didn't come into a favorable situation. And to top it off, they've played the Titans and Colts for two of those first three games.

It is perfectly reasonable to say its been disappointing thus far. Not like Daniels has proven world beaters for a coaching staff, he has worse weapons and the Commanders defense hasn't been good.

Waldron is terrible and so is their OL

[big_palooka]

13 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Waldron is terrible and so is their OL

Have a feeling this will be repeated for years despite changes. Going to be a lot of deflection around his career as he struggles. 

[Tank4Drake]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:20 PM, Pugger said:

Chicago is a place where QBs go to die.  Even Fields is looking competent now that he is in Pittsburgh.  

No he’s not lol. Same Fields. Holds onto the ball forever and can’t process. He’s just with an actual coach that can win now. Tomlin can get 9 wins from a body bag at QB.