bruceb Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, dawgdish said: Hue seems incapable of tailoring his penchant for downfield passing to make younger QBs comfortable. Huebris has a gambling problem. He cannot resist the low percentage deep pass plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Bucketheadsdad said: I do not believe we're going to get a decision on an OC until the HC positions around the league are filled. If the Browns are seriously looking to add a quality OC, that person is likely going to be pursuing a HC job elsewhere first. I am more interested in how long it is going to take before Dorsey tells Jimmy Truckstop, "Look, sir. It will be a minimum security facility for what....24 months, tops? I bet they won't even have the NFL Network there, so you won't even be subjected to watching our team. I don't care what evidence he has on you, but I MUST fire Chris Tabor." The announcers yesterday made an interesting observation: namely, that the players who started on PIT's ST were the same players that started the season there, while we, of course, had a revolving door of ST players. Not exonerating Tabor at all because I think he is awful, but if the announcers are correct, that would go a long way toward explaining our p-poor ST play and signal an alarming lack of ST skill/depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, bruceb said: The announcers yesterday made an interesting observation: namely, that the players who started on PIT's ST were the same players that started the season there, while we, of course, had a revolving door of ST players. Not exonerating Tabor at all because I think he is awful, but if the announcers are correct, that would go a long way toward explaining our p-poor ST play and signal an alarming lack of ST skill/depth. I’ve made point a time or two as well. ST are an afterthought it seems. I don’t think we need a bunch of Ray Ventrone’s or anything, but one of those guys wouldn’t hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Don't be surprised if Al Saunders is promoted to OC and we bring in a new WR coach. No one quite remembers that Saunders was the architect behind those crazy Priest Holmes Chiefs offenses where he turned Trent Green into a leading QB. His efforts won him Offensive Coach of the Year one year. Those KC teams, were old and undermanned but they were tough, innovative, and look very much like the Rams offense when it was explosively vertical. If this is indeed the move, I don't want hear ageist "is he up with the times" type of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, bruceb said: The announcers yesterday made an interesting observation: namely, that the players who started on PIT's ST were the same players that started the season there, while we, of course, had a revolving door of ST players. Not exonerating Tabor at all because I think he is awful, but if the announcers are correct, that would go a long way toward explaining our p-poor ST play and signal an alarming lack of ST skill/depth. That is a reflection of just how young we are. Most teams in the league have their young kids playing ST. Most of ours are in our starting lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Don't be surprised if Al Saunders is promoted to OC and we bring in a new WR coach. No one quite remembers that Saunders was the architect behind those crazy Priest Holmes Chiefs offenses where he turned Trent Green into a leading QB. Who doesn’t remember that? It’s what he’s known for. 21 minutes ago, Mind Character said: His efforts won him Offensive Coach of the Year one year. Those KC teams, were old and undermanned but they were tough, innovative, and look very much like the Rams offense when it was explosively vertical. Agreed, he was legit as hell. 21 minutes ago, Mind Character said: If this is indeed the move, I don't want hear ageist "is he up with the times" type of nonsense. It’s not “ageist” to question if an older person has evolved with the times. I would have thought a personal as socially aware as yourself would have looked around and been able to find plenty of examples of this. That’s not to say that none do, but many do not. Personally, I’m not concerned about Saunders and think he’d be a great guy to promote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 Any thoughts on Jim Caldwell as OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, hornbybrown said: Any thoughts on Jim Caldwell as OC He’s better than the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoGrahamsGhost Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, hornbybrown said: Any thoughts on Jim Caldwell as OC I’d be in favor of him. Then in October he can be the interim head coach. If Hue lasts that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 52 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Who doesn’t remember that? It’s what he’s known for. Agreed, he was legit as hell. It’s not “ageist” to question if an older person has evolved with the times. I would have thought a personal as socially aware as yourself would have looked around and been able to find plenty of examples of this. That’s not to say that none do, but many do not. Personally, I’m not concerned about Saunders and think he’d be a great guy to promote. In fact, I've read on this here board takes on Saunders as an "out of touch", "old coach not up on the times" when it came to criticism of our offense/WRs. Come on, LGB... you know the low hanging fruit takes if Saunders is announced will follow suit a la " I don't know... he seems kind of old, out of touch, and didn't do a good job with the WRs."? If one is cutting edge in 2005, and been either a Senior Offensive Exec in two organizations after that (Raiders and Miami), or OC it stands to reason that the old fogy understands offensive football, the game as it is now, and doesn't just sit around dreaming about the good old days. I could be wrong, but I'd bet that will be a lot of the react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Mind Character said: In fact, I've read on this here board takes on Saunders as an "out of touch", "old coach not up on the times" when it came to criticism of our offense/WRs. Come on, LGB... you know the low hanging fruit takes if Saunders is announced will follow suit a la " I don't know... he seems kind of old, out of touch, and didn't do a good job with the WRs."? If one is cutting edge in 2005, and been either a Senior Offensive Exec in two organizations after that (Raiders and Miami), or OC it stands to reason that the old fogy understands offensive football, the game as it is now, and doesn't just sit around dreaming about the good old days. I could be wrong, but I'd bet that will be a lot of the react. What’s a better job being a senior offensive exec or an OC? I would say OC, more power Also Saunders supposedly had import lance with this current browns offense as he is an senior offensive assistant. Dude really had no pull or say when it came to working with Hue and this offense. Do you think that’s going to magically change when hue changes his title. If he still wanted to be an OC or was Still wanted to be an OC he prolly would of had the shot at it after his KC days. I rather get an OC Who has no connection with Huebris outside of being named his new OC. Also you can say how can you expect him to improve an entire offense, when he couldn’t improve his own WRs. That is a legit concern. You don’t see QB coaches or other positional coaches getting promotions when they positional group has been a huge disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, buno67 said: What’s a better job being a senior offensive exec or an OC? I would say OC, more power Also Saunders supposedly had import lance with this current browns offense as he is an senior offensive assistant. Dude really had no pull or say when it came to working with Hue and this offense. Do you think that’s going to magically change when hue changes his title. If he still wanted to be an OC or was Still wanted to be an OC he prolly would of had the shot at it after his KC days. I rather get an OC Who has no connection with Huebris outside of being named his new OC. Also you can say how can you expect him to improve an entire offense, when he couldn’t improve his own WRs. That is a legit concern. You don’t see QB coaches or other positional coaches getting promotions when they positional group has been a huge disappointment Yeah...it's definitely Al Saunders fault Ricardo Louis can't catch, Corey Coleman got injured, the fantastic trio of Ricardo Louis, Bryce Treggs, and Kenny Britt stunk up the joint... that's definitely it and you couldn't be more right that it's definitely a legit concern.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoGrahamsGhost Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Yeah...it's definitely Al Saunders fault Ricardo Louis can't catch, Corey Coleman got injured, the fantastic trio of Ricardo Louis, Bryce Treggs, and Kenny Britt stunk up the joint... that's definitely it and you couldn't be more right that it's definitely a legit concern.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Yeah...it's definitely Al Saunders fault Ricardo Louis can't catch, Corey Coleman got injured, the fantastic trio of Ricardo Louis, Bryce Treggs, and Kenny Britt stunk up the joint... that's definitely it and you couldn't be more right that it's definitely a legit concern.... If Al Saunders was a good coach he’d have taught Britt and Louis how to grow an extra 6-7 fingers so they could catch a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: If Al Saunders was a good coach he’d have taught Britt and Louis how to grow an extra 6-7 fingers so they could catch a pass. Facts.. Although I'm not going to lie, Saunders clearly and definitely got better as a coach when Josh Gordon came back for some reason, but then again regrettably his coaching regressed on the final play of the season when it mattered most his coaching couldn't get Coleman to catch that pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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