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[packfanfb]

4 hours ago, cannondale said:

Nahhhhhhhh. Way more talent on the roster today. Our QB just sucks. Allegedly

Shots fired.

[Norm]

5 hours ago, cannondale said:

Nahhhhhhhh. Way more talent on the roster today. Our QB just sucks. Allegedly

QBs who need four pro bowl WRs to succeed does probably suck though

Edited April 6, 2020 by Norm

[Gopackgonerd]

12 minutes ago, Norm said:

QBs who need four pro bowl WRs to succeed does probably suck though

I remember him playing well without any pro bowl WRs early in the year last year

[packfanfb]

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[MacReady]

4 hours ago, cannondale said:

Nahhhhhhhh. Way more talent on the roster today. Our QB just sucks. Allegedly

Jones        4 years    2069 yards        149 receptions    13 TD
Driver        12 years    9615 yards        698 receptions    53 TD    
Nelson    3 years    1268 yards        110 receptions    6 TD
Jennings    5 years    5222 yards        322 receptions    40 TD

Adams    6 years    5194 yards        431 receptions    44 TD
Lazard    2 years    484 yards        36 receptions    3 TD
MVS        2 years    1033 yards        64 receptions    4 TD
Allison        4 years    1045 yards        89 receptions    6 TD

Let's also not act like Donald Driver was anything more than an average #2 receiver in 2010. 

In fact, if we compare actual seasons (2010 to 2019)...

Otherwise, in 10 years, people could say Aaron Rodgers had MVS, Davante Adams, Jimmy Graham and couldn't even get above 7.5 yards per attempt. 

Driver - 51 catches, 565 yards, 11.1 YPC, 4 TD
Jennings - 75 catches, 1,265 yards, 16.6 YPC, 12 TD
Jones - 50 receptions, 679 yards, 13.3 YPC, 5 TD
Nelson - 45 receptions, 582 yards, 2 TD
Total - 221 receptions, 3091 yards, 23 TD

Adams - 83 receptions, 997 yards, 5 TD
MVS - 26 receptions, 452 yards, 2 TD
Lazard - 35 receptions, 477 yards, 3 TD
Allison - 34 receptions, 287 yards, 2 TD
Total - 178 receptions, 2,213 yards, 12 TD

Let's also not forget that Crabtree, Quarless and Lee were Aaron's tight ends that year and that year Brandon Jackson was the starting RB. 

MVS, at this point in his career, was better than Nelson at the same point.
Jennings was extremely underrated, but he was not better than Adams.
Driver was marginally more effective than Lazard at that point in his career.

The only SIGNIFICANT difference between that 2010 receiving corps and the 2019 receiving corps AT THE SAME POINT IN CAREERS was a more experience. 

Your hubris over using Jordy Nelson when Jordy Nelson wasn't **** and everybody thought he was a bust, using Donald Driver's 51 catches for 565 yards and James Jones is just astounding.

Jones in 2010 was, essentially, Lazard.
Nelson in 2010 was, essentially, MVS (unless you don't seem to recall his gigantic drops in the Super Bowl). 

And your neglect of other, better threats that Rodgers has now, as well as a better offensive line...

And you're the one sitting there accusing AG and I of always bringing up Rodgers, but you're the one that just nipped at heels right here with a stupid attempt at proving yourself right.

 

 

 

[MacReady]

Just now, packfanfb said:

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He belongs there.  If the decade started in 2015 he wouldn't belong in the top 16 of the decade, but he absolutely belongs on the all-decade team.

Super Bowl performance, 2011 season, 2014 season... Unmatched this decade.  Peyton's monster season came this decade too, but he didn't win a ring, and Brady has had top 8 defenses each season this decade without the statistical performances Rodgers has had. 

[snackattack]

3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

The only SIGNIFICANT difference between that 2010 receiving corps and the 2019 receiving corps AT THE SAME POINT IN CAREERS was a more experience.

 

 

Is this real life?? Let me make sure im understanding correctly. Are you saying that the 2010 receiving group would be about the same as the 2019 group if they werent as experienced?

[vegas492]

Man.  I want nothing to do with this.  Must.  Resist.  Urge.  To.  Post.

 

 

[MacReady]

Just now, snackattack said:

Is this real life?? Let me make sure im understanding correctly. Are you saying that the 2010 receiving group would be about the same as the 2019 group if they werent as experienced?

Maybe you should read and find out for yourself.

In 2010, the Packers had a single elite receiver.
In 2010, the Packers had a veteran WR who was not what he was and was clearly limited by his age.
In 2010, the Packers had two promising receivers who had not shown much.
In 2010, the Packers had NOTHING at RB.
In 2010, the Packers had NOTHING at TE. 

In 2019, the Packers had a single elite receiver.
In 2019, the Packers had a veteran TE who was not what he was and was clearly limited by his age.
In 2019, the Packers had two promising rookie/second year receivers.
In 2019, the Packers had an elite RB.

The only edge you can give to the 2010 Packers was a veteran WR.  Driver was great and if he'd been able to make the jump earlier in his career or had two more years, he might have snuck into the HOF, but he was not anything close to elite in 2010. 

And James Jones was no better in 2010 than Lazard was in 2019.  In fact, if Lazard had been given an opportunity earlier this year, he would have had a significantly better season than Jones had in 2010.

Jordy Nelson was worse in 2010 than MVS was in 2019. 

[MacReady]

Just now, vegas492 said:

Man.  I want nothing to do with this.  Must.  Resist.  Urge.  To.  Post.

 

 

I'm not even saying anything controversial. 

The receivers we had in 2010 were among the best the Packers have ever had. 
That does not mean that in 2010 they were anything close to what people remember them as. 

Answer me honestly, if at the end of the 2010 regular season you said, "Jordy Nelson is going to be a fringe HOF receiver," how many people would have believed you? 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

4 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

Man.  I want nothing to do with this.  Must.  Resist.  Urge.  To.  Post.

 

 

Yup.  

A mentor of mine once said "when you see dog poop on the sidewalk, you don't have to step in it."

I am going to walk around.

[vegas492]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

I'm not even saying anything controversial. 

The receivers we had in 2010 were among the best the Packers have ever had. 
That does not mean that in 2010 they were anything close to what people remember them as. 

Answer me honestly, if at the end of the 2010 regular season you said, "Jordy Nelson is going to be a fringe HOF receiver," how many people would have believed you? 

I dig you and I know where you are going.

But I'm walking around that pile of dog poop.  It'll be the wisest thing I've done since I proposed to my wife.

[MacReady]

Donald Driver 2010 - 15 starts, 51 receptions, 565 yards, 11.1 YPC, 4 TD
Allen Lazard 2019 - 3 starts, 35 receptions, 477 yards, 13.3 YPC, 3 TD

Donald Driver in 2010 was the WR equivalent of Jimmy Graham 2018 at TE. 

Effective veteran who no longer had the athletic ability that made him great. 

 

[MacReady]

Just now, vegas492 said:

I dig you and I know where you are going.

But I'm walking around that pile of dog poop.  It'll be the wisest thing I've done since I proposed to my wife.

Quit acting like I'm saying anything provocative if you're too afraid to answer my question.

Lazard outproduced Driver, Jones and Nelson when comparing 2019 to 2010. 

Jordy Nelson was not good in 2010. 

[vegas492]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

Quit acting like I'm saying anything provocative if you're too afraid to answer my question.

Lazard outproduced Driver, Jones and Nelson when comparing 2019 to 2010. 

Jordy Nelson was not good in 2010. 

I"m not.  

And No.