matt79511 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/bcmassey/status/983343271379439617 This isn’t necessarily Cowboys-specific, but I think it’s an important read for those making the common refrain of “The Cowboys are doing great, we’re building our team that righty way, boo free agency, go draft, we are the best at drafting, go team.” Obviously the draft is important, but it’s a crapshoot. And roster construction is a conveyor belt. Say it takes 3-4 years for a player to develop. You know what a non-first rounder becomes after 3 years? A contract year player. After 4? A free agent. Our approach is often compared to Seattle’s, as Dak is frequently compared to Wilson, we’ve been trying to emulate their defensive system, and we just nabbed their ex-defensive coordinator. And yes, Seattle had an awesome run and were memorably innovative in how they approached the game. But eventually it fell apart, because you’re not gonna get borderline Hall of Famers like Russ, Sherman, and Chancellor in the mid-to-late rounds every year. That’s not sustainable, and it’s essentially necessary to build a consistent contender when using the draft as essentially your only means of player acquisition, because of roster turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, matt79511 said: https://mobile.twitter.com/bcmassey/status/983343271379439617 This isn’t necessarily Cowboys-specific, but I think it’s an important read for those making the common refrain of “The Cowboys are doing great, we’re building our team that righty way, boo free agency, go draft, we are the best at drafting, go team.” Obviously the draft is important, but it’s a crapshoot. And roster construction is a conveyor belt. Say it takes 3-4 years for a player to develop. You know what a non-first rounder becomes after 3 years? A contract year player. After 4? A free agent. Our approach is often compared to Seattle’s, as Dak is frequently compared to Wilson, we’ve been trying to emulate their defensive system, and we just nabbed their ex-defensive coordinator. And yes, Seattle had an awesome run and were memorably innovative in how they approached the game. But eventually it fell apart, because you’re not gonna get borderline Hall of Famers like Russ, Sherman, and Chancellor in the mid-to-late rounds every year. That’s not sustainable, and it’s essentially necessary to build a consistent contender when using the draft as essentially your only means of player acquisition, because of roster turnover. I think the elimination of the mammoth contracts back in 2010 for rookies were both a good and a bad thing. On one hand you are not banking on a unproven player. But on the other hand it has somewhat lessened the importance of the draft. For big time players that are going to be great for a long time. You are looking at 2 maybe 3 contracts in their whole career. The starting salary, the payout, and the retirement plan. And that's if you are very very lucky as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas94Ware Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 No one is saying boo FA. The Cowboys have spent even. I think what most people are saying is the reliance on FA is a bad thing, because you overpay guys that were allowed to walk for a reason. In some cases you can strike gold, but more often than not you end up paying far too much for another teams castoff that never lives up to the pay day because if far exceeds their capability. I mean Watkins got like 17m and has never played a full freakin season. Cousins has won ... what? Yet he was paid like a 3x Super Bowl champ. When you overpay, it handcuffs you to that player whether they work out or not, similar to drafting high prior to 2010. Whether that player is good or not, you have handcuffed yourself to them and limited yoir resources for retaining the players who.deserve that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Quote 2/28: The Cowboys and Panthers both like Wake Forest safety Jesse Bates. - Tony Pauline, DraftAnalyst.com Pauline notes that Dallas and Carolina could make a move on him in the third round, though it's possible that he could sneak into the second frame. -Walter Quote 1/25: Someone to keep in mind for the Cowboys is Boise State linebacker Leighton Vander Esch. - Tony Pauline, DraftAnalyst.com Per Pauline, Dallas is looking to address linebacker and defensive end this offseason, and Vander Esch would certainly fill the former need. He could be obtained via trading down in the first round or up in the second frame. -Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I like jesse bates in the third. but if they like him that much, take him in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, canadaluvsdallas said: I like jesse bates in the third. but if they like him that much, take him in the second. Seen him as a top 50 player on a lot of boards. Could go before our 2nd pick even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couchscout Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Seen him as a top 50 player on a lot of boards. Could go before our 2nd pick even he a really good player... Encourage ppl check him out has anyone saw Jeremy Reaves? Nice late round small school safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtnldave Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 hours ago, matt79511 said: https://mobile.twitter.com/bcmassey/status/983343271379439617 This isn’t necessarily Cowboys-specific, but I think it’s an important read for those making the common refrain of “The Cowboys are doing great, we’re building our team that righty way, boo free agency, go draft, we are the best at drafting, go team.” Obviously the draft is important, but it’s a crapshoot. And roster construction is a conveyor belt. Say it takes 3-4 years for a player to develop. You know what a non-first rounder becomes after 3 years? A contract year player. After 4? A free agent. Our approach is often compared to Seattle’s, as Dak is frequently compared to Wilson, we’ve been trying to emulate their defensive system, and we just nabbed their ex-defensive coordinator. And yes, Seattle had an awesome run and were memorably innovative in how they approached the game. But eventually it fell apart, because you’re not gonna get borderline Hall of Famers like Russ, Sherman, and Chancellor in the mid-to-late rounds every year. That’s not sustainable, and it’s essentially necessary to build a consistent contender when using the draft as essentially your only means of player acquisition, because of roster turnover. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas94Ware Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 18 hours ago, DaBoys said: Seen him as a top 50 player on a lot of boards. Could go before our 2nd pick even I have him just outside my top 50, but I could see him going as early as 23 to the Patriots. He fits their system very well and they are known to select 2nd round players in the late first range to lock in that 5th year option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingmonkey30 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 Stole this from @Texas_OutLaw7, figured it should go in here as well. Everyone Dallas has met with: https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Bolt/NFL-Draft-Up-to-date-list-of-all-Cowboys-prospect-meetings-for-2018-116469208 QBs Chase Litton - Marshall (Pro Day) Mason Rudolph - Oklahoma (Pro Day) Tim Boyle - Eastern Kentucky (Private) Kenny Hill - Texas Christian University (Dallas Day Workout) Richard Lagow - Indiana (Dallas Day Workout) DeVante Kincade - Grambling via Ole Miss (Dallas Day Workout) Matt Davis - Southern Methodist University (Dallas Day Workout) RBs: Nyheim Hines - North Carolina State (NFL Combine/Private Workout/Official Pre-Draft Visit*) Jeffrey Wilson - North Texas (NFL Combine) Akrum Wadley - Iowa (Senior Bowl) Chris Warren, III - Texas (Dallas Day Workout) FB/TEs: Dimitri Flowers - Oklahoma (Private) Hayden Hurst - South Carolina (NFL Combine) Jaylen Samuels - NC State (Pro Day) Dallas Goedert - South Dakota State (NFL Combine) David Wells - San Diego State (Private) WRs: Cedric Wilson - Boise State (Senior Bowl) Brandon Bean - Grand Valley State (Pro Day) Quan Jones - Baylor (Dallas Day Workout) Del'Michael High - Tarleton State (Dallas Day Workout) Daurice Fountain - Northern Iowa (Official Pre-Draft Visit*) Vyncint Smith - Limestone (Non-Official Interest, Private) Davon Grayson - East Carolina (Private) Dante Pettis - Washington (Pro Day) Malik Earl - Missouri State (Pro Day, Private) Calvin Ridley - Alabama (NFL Combine/Official Pre-Draft Visit) James Washington - Oklahoma (Senior Bowl/Official Pre-Draft Visit) DaeSean Hamilton - Penn State (Senior Bowl/Private*) Equanimeous St. Brown - Notre Dame (NFL Combine) D.J. Moore - Maryland (NFL Combine, Official Pre-Draft Visit*) Deon Cain - Clemson (NFL Combine) Christian Kirk - Texas A&M (NFL Combine, Official Pre-Draft Visit*) Michael Gallup - Colorado State (NFL Combine) Courtland Sutton - Southern Methodist University (Pro Day, Informal Meeting) Tre'Quan Smith - Central Florida (Private) Antonio Callaway - Florida (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Trey Quinn - Southern Methodist University (Dallas Day Workout) Chris Lacy - Oklahoma State (Dallas Day Workout) OL: Austin Corbett - Nevada (Pro Day) Will Hernandez - Texas-El Paso (Senior Bowl/High Interest) Isaiah Wynn - Georgia (NFL Combine) Tejan Koroma - BYU (Private) Kolton Miller - UCLA (Pro Day/Official Pre-Draft Visit) James Daniels - Iowa (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Connor Williams - Texas (Dallas Day Workout) Mike McGlinchey - Notre Dame (Official Pre-Draft Workout) Cole Madison - Washington State (Official Pre-Draft Workout) Desmond Harrison - West Georgia (Official Pre-Draft Workout) DEs: Ogbonnia Okoronkwo - Oklahoma (Senior Bowl) Marcus Davenport - Texas-San Antonio (NFL Combine) Bradley Chubb - NC State (Pro Day Scouting/Non-Meet) Kylie Fitts - Utah (Senior Bowl) Dewey Jarvis - Brown (Senior Bowl) Josh Sweat - Florida State Mason Gentry - Southern Methodist University (Dallas Day Workout) Arden Key - LSU (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Harold Landry - Boston College (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Breeland Speaks - Ole Miss (Official Pre-Draft Visit) DTs: Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State (Private workout) Vita Vea - Washington (Private workout*, Official Pre-Draft Visit) Taven Bryan - Florida (Private, Pro Day*, Official Pre-Draft Visit) Da'Ron Payne - Alabama (Official Pre-Draft Visit) LBs: Rashaan Evans - Alabama (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Leighton Vander Esch - Boise State (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Malik Jefferson - Texas (Private) T.J. McCollum - Purdue via Western Kentucky (Senior Bowl) Darius Leonard - South Carolina State (Private, Official Pre-Draft Visit) Josey Jewell - Iowa (NFL Combine) Fred Warner - Brigham Young (Private) Terrell Edmunds - Virginia Tech (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Tarvarius Moore - Southern Miss (Official Pre-Draft Visit) Ss: Jessie Bates - Wake Forest (NFL Combine) Joshua Kalu - Nebraska (Private) Deshon Elliott - Texas (Local Visit/Dallas Day Workout) Jason Hall - Texas (Dallas Day Workout) CBs: Ranthony Texada - Texas Christian University (Dallas Day Workout) Darius Phillips - Western Michigan (Senior Bowl) Tarvarus McFadden - Florida State (NFL Combine) Chris Jones - Nebraska (Private) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I really like Jessie Bates III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I know it's a highlight reel but they said he led the team in tackles so I'm not to worried about him doing the dirty work. He clearly has ball skills. A safety that can return kicks. When he has the ball in his hands he is fast as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas_OutLaw7 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 We have a clear interest in WRs, OL, DEs, and LBers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said: We have a clear interest in WRs, OL, DEs, and LBers. And don't forget more WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingmonkey30 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 I'm gonna cry when Harold Landry inexplicably falls to us and we draft LVE instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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