incognito_man Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, skibrett15 said: no, but we could've traded him for a 2nd round pick (probably more) and paid him his money instead. So, in essence we gave up a 2nd for the pleasure of paying him. Anyway I'm just being cheeky about it, but the moves made are not THAT different. Remember there's also a salary floor. If you don't pay Gary, who will you give that money to instead? Nobody better (by far, per you) on the team. So the other option is to give up draft picks AND money, or suffer the winners curse in free agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Pretty shocked to see WAS deal both Sweat and Young. Assumed it would be one or the other, and kind of expected it to be Young. Their GM has embraced the tank, and I have to think the new ownership is prepping to clean house. Will be interesting to see how they compete the rest of the way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Is trading for Joe Burrow different than trading for Geno Smith? That's probably the difference in talent here. Gary is 3rd in the league in pass rush win rate, Sweat is at 8%, not even sure if that's top 50. Sweat is a nice player, a lot like Preston is. They just traded a 2nd and a big deal for 27 year old Preston. Okay man, I'm trying to keep track here. I post PFF grades and scores and am told that PFF is garbage. Someone on Twitter posts PFF stats as having Gary as 3rd in the league in pass rush win rate and that is cited as gospel over and over? How are we doing it now? PFF is garbage unless it fits a narrative? Or is that rush win rate stuff not a PFF metric as I thought I saw it posted as? Regarding Sweat, he's the #28 ranked EDGE, compared to Gary who is tied for #20. Gary's score is 79.5. Sweat's is 76.8. The difference is that Sweat's run score is very good, when Gary's is poor. Sweat's pass run score is meh where Gary's is very good. I feel like Sweat is a nice piece to have. Bears have cap to burn, and now if they draft an EDGE high, they have a pair of good ones. And now they do not have to draft an EDGE high, because they have one and can look elsewhere. The only thing that could be a downside is that they gave up a pretty premium pick. Had it been a round later, it would have been viewed as a great deal for the Bears, though, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, vegas492 said: How are we doing it now? PFF is garbage unless it fits a narrative Scores are far more of a subjective black box than raw stats. Key difference 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, incognito_man said: Scores are far more of a subjective black box than raw stats. Key difference I get it. I feel like "wins" are also subjective, but not nearly as to the extent as scoring an offensive lineman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I get it. I feel like "wins" are also subjective, but not nearly as to the extent as scoring an offensive lineman. It's all subjective, so getting to the scores is addictive in subjectivity. I still think it's all generally useful, however. It's a tool worth considering IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Do the Bears not know they’re bad? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 Didnt see this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, Isherwood said: Do the Bears not know they’re bad? They do have an image to maintain 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 Michael Silver - Young, according to several Commanders coaches and other organizational sources, was viewed as an undisciplined player who developed bad habits such as deviating from assignments in an effort to make splash plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Raiders can GM and coach. Film at 11. Edited November 1, 2023 by mikebpackfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, mikebpackfan said: Raiders can GM and coach. Film at 11. We trade them Bisaccia as interim for a 3rd. He has to come back if they don’t pick him up as HC next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, mikebpackfan said: Raiders can GM and coach. Film at 11. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38790836/las-vegas-raiders-fire-coach-josh-mcdaniels-gm-david-ziegler Yep. Maybe that will finally end the McDaniels as a HC era for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 Heard something I needed to confirm cause I couldnt believe it. In the last ten years, the Raiders have had six (now seven) head coaches: Dennis Allen Tony Sparano Jack Del Rio Jon Gruden Rich Bisaccia Josh McDaniels Geeezzzz. Talk about instability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Leader said: Heard something I needed to confirm cause I couldnt believe it. In the last ten years, the Raiders have had six (now seven) head coaches: Dennis Allen Tony Sparano Jack Del Rio Jon Gruden Rich Bisaccia Josh McDaniels Geeezzzz. Talk about instability. I don't really count "interim" coaches in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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