Refugee Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Norm said: I also don't want to do it to help the offense. I just think it's a stupid rule. It doesn't happen that much anyways to alter offensive output in any meaningful way. It doesn’t happen often but do you remember when the Bears challenged a potential touchdown and upon further review it was a turnover, and upon further, further review the Bears still suck? I will not forget that one for a long time and for that reason alone, the rule stands. I understand it may seem inconsistent but the endzone has its own governing rules and I’m ok with that. I will say it gets more convoluted for kicks. If a receiving team muffs a kick in the endzone they can still pick it up. I assume this would be because possession is not established. If you are sloppy enough to fumble into the endzone, you don’t deserve a break. Edited December 16, 2023 by Refugee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Basketball and soccer is about last touch, not possession. Not the same at all. If the current rule was modified to give the defense possession where the EZ fumble actually occurred rather than moving the ball to the 20, that would be an improvement. It's the moving the ball to the 20 that doesn't make sense to me. It's considered a touchback. Just like when you kick off and if goes out of the endzone or is downed in the endzone. It's actually consistent or was until they moved kick-off to the 25 but punts still start at the 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Old Guy said: It's considered a touchback. Just like when you kick off and if goes out of the endzone or is downed in the endzone. It's actually consistent or was until they moved kick-off to the 25 but punts still start at the 20. Instead of considering a fumble to be a touchback, I propose we instead treat a fumble as a fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Instead of considering a fumble to be a touchback, I propose we instead treat a fumble as a fumble. It is a fumble. Recovered by the defense. Can't start play in the endzone. Touchback. Otherwise what's a ******* safety. Just restart play at the 1 if the endzones don't mean anything. You don't get points for sacking people anywhere else? Edited December 16, 2023 by HighCalebR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: It is a fumble. Recovered by the defense. Can't start play in the endzone. Touchback. Otherwise what's a ******* safety. Just restart play at the 1 if the endzones don't mean anything. You don't get points for sacking people anywhere else? Except the fumble wasn't recovered by the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 11 hours ago, mikebpackfan said: The only reason the offense gets the football in other cases is because it has always been that way. It’s dumb. The defense should always get the ball. Everything is consistent and you don’t have to make up some ridiculous rules for it going into the EZ or not. Ball goes out, defense gets it. Just like basketball and soccer and just about any other sport. This is a logical interpretation. It really favors the defense, though (which there's nothing more inherently wrong with than current rules that favor the offense). It really makes the field feel more like a prison for the defense. It would result in a lot more turnovers every year (which would also be exciting). I'd make that rule so that the ball must have been lost prior to crossing the sideline, however (i.e. ball has to move across the sideline on its own power). There's probably a safety reason (crowded sidelines) to allow ball carriers to lose the ball and brace themselves for impact once they've crossed the sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HighCalebR Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: Except the fumble wasn't recovered by the defense Wasn't recovered by the offense either. But it went to the possession of the D by crossing the endzone. Where anytime the ball ends there, the ball changes posession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Wasn't recovered by the offense either. But it went to the possession of the D by crossing the endzone. Where anytime the ball ends there, the ball changes posession Except for an incomplete pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HighCalebR Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mazrimiv said: Except for an incomplete pass. Right, the forward pass makes less sense than the fumble into the endzone going to the defense. Get the forward pass illegal first. Edited December 17, 2023 by HighCalebR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Rodgers reportedly expected to be medically cleared to play next week. Jets currently 2.5 games out of last playoff spot. They play @Miami today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 6:34 PM, Old Guy said: The NCAA tournament used to be the best sports on TV, sans The Masters. It's just not that good anymore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leader Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) Trying to cash in while the cash is on the table... Edited December 18, 2023 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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