Apparition Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, beats2rock said: How about Josh McCown. He broke 100 passer rating for the first time his tenth year in the league with his fifth team. A journeyman is just a journeyman unless he takes a team to a Super Bowl. Them's the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Rich Gannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonu62882 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: It could happen but I doubt it does even if he is SB MVP. If he was 25 or younger and this was his first real shot, absolutely. If he would have come in for Wentz and played well each game, probably. He has had over 100 rating each of the three playoff games he has played and has 5 TD to no INTs so maybe someone overpays for his clutch ability but I still don't foresee a 2nd. At best someone would trade for him to start until a drafted QB is ready. I don't think anyone trades for him as a long term starter and thus doesn't give up a higher pick. We got a 1st for Sam Bradford. Hell, we got a 2nd for AJ Feeley. Foles is better than Feeley and there will be teams desperate for a QB that shows potential in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, jonu62882 said: We got a 1st for Sam Bradford. Hell, we got a 2nd for AJ Feeley. Foles is better than Feeley and there will be teams desperate for a QB that shows potential in the playoffs. Sam was a former #1 pick and somewhat accomplished and traded at a specific time to a desperate team, that isn't happening during the offseason. AJ was young and only started a handful of games so he falls under the young so there is hope category. I just wopuldn't expect someone to give starting QB value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Not as bizarre as Foles' path could be, but right up there. Tommy Maddox. 1st round pick in 92 at only 20, drafted to be the heir apparent to future HOFer John Elway. Traded to the Rams in 94 due to cap issues and then bounces around league for the next few years. Becomes an insurance agent in 97. Plays in the AFL in 2000. Plays in the XFL in 2001. Wins MVP. Picked up by Steelers for 2001, becomes starter in 2002. Leads them to playoffs, wins comeback POTY. Looks like Cowhers finally has a QB. Has mediocre 2003. Steelers draft Big Ben in 04, and that's pretty much that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Kurt Warner.. End of thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areksoo Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Doug Flutie Known for his Hail Mary in college and Heisman, but drafted in the 11th round... bounced around a few teams before becoming a starter for the Patriots. Goes to the CFL and tears it up becoming (at that point) probably the greatest CFL QB ever. Comes back to the Bills (and the last good QB the Bills had) and makes the Pro Bowl. Then winds down his career in New England scoring a drop kick. Oh and he had his own cereal... Flutie Flakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, areksoo said: Doug Flutie Known for his Hail Mary in college and Heisman, but drafted in the 11th round... bounced around a few teams before becoming a starter for the Patriots. Goes to the CFL and tears it up becoming (at that point) probably the greatest CFL QB ever. Comes back to the Bills (and the last good QB the Bills had) and makes the Pro Bowl. Then winds down his career in New England scoring a drop kick. Oh and he had his own cereal... Flutie Flakes. Yeah, but he also crossed the picket line in '87 so screw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 10:18 PM, mcmurtry86 said: Rich Gannon Reminds me of how stupidly run the Patriots were in the late 80s for wanting to convert him to a safety (or was it RB? I forget). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't think Foles path was all that strange. He was lights out as a rookie in preseason. Vick started out 3-1. The team started falling apart with injuries and some horrific dream team leftover players (Nnamdi, DRC, etc) They ranked 29th in defense. By the time Foles took over vs Dallas, the O-line was Dunlap Mathis Reynolds Watkins Kelly. The very good 2013 line was Peters Mathis Kelce Herremans Johnson. He was a decent rookie on a very bad 4-12 team that got AR fired. THERE IS NO NEGATIVE HERE He was fantastic in 2013 after taking over for Vick who was not on the same team. Everything that happened here was earned, including walking off the field with a lead over Drew Brees in a playoff game. The Saints got a Sproles return and a horse collar and then pushed the Eagles back for 5 minutes until kicking the game winner as time ran out. In 2014, the line was an absolute mess again. Foles was sacked 5 times in 30 minutes vs Jacksonville. He fumbled 3 times. McCoy could not run behind that line either. Foles went into the locker room and changed the way he played the rest of the year. Sheep who just listen to bad analysts say he was playing scared. He was doing what he had to do to survive. He won 6 games but only had 13 TDs to 10 picks. He was only sacked 4 more times in 8 games and he only fumbled 1 more time. He played great outside of a hideous game in SF and a blah game in Arizona. After Mercilus broke his collarbone, the Buttfumbler came in and got sacked 23 times in 8+ games and fumbled 7 times. Sanchez went 4-4 because he was a bad QB in the pocket. Foles went 6-2 because he did things in the pocket to avoid catastrophe. His stats were mediocre, but they included things like 2 picks vs NY after they were winning 20-0. They won 27-0. These plays that pulled his stats down did not hurt his team. At this point he is 14-4 in the last 2 years, plus he won a long relief game when Vick got hurt in 2013. Vick/Sanchez are 6-8 on the same team. Chump Kelly decides that Foles is the problem and trades him for Bradford. This was an idiotic decision that did not reflect poorly on Foles in any way. Now we get to Jeff Fisher Land! Foles started 11 games for a really bad team. That team announced it was moving (Belichick was fired after trying to coach a similar team with far more talent). In his 11 starts, the Rams faced 8 playoff teams. He was throwing to Britt, Austin, Quick, Bailey, Cook, and Kendricks. For his last 4 games he also threw to the reanimated corpse of Wes Welker. Of those 11 starts he had 3 games of 100+ rating (beating Seattle in a shootout without Gurley, winning in Arizona, and crushing SF). He also had 3 horrific games @ GB, @ CIncy, and vs Chicago. He had 1 TD and 7 picks in those 2 at GB and Cincy. Why would you define his career on those 2 games? There is pathetic prattle about how much better Keenum was on that team. Keenum lost to Blaine Gabbert with St Louis. He won a pair of games throwing for 124 and 103 yards and the difference in both games was a TD return by the Rams D. 2015 St Louis is where stat nerds who don't look for context go to die. They looked like complete morons on Sunday. Those same clowns could look at '85-'86 Tampa and be sure that Steve DeBerg was better than Steve Young. Since that year, Foles won all 4 games where he was called on in the regular season. He had a 105 rating in KC. He has a 100+ rating as an Eagles QB this year, if you don't count the scrimmage. He is about 92 rating if you insist on counting fake games. He did have a bad 11 pass meaningless scrimmage that included a drop, a pass called back on a hold, and a receiver who fell down on a route. (what a bum!) He destroyed the #1 ranked D on Sunday. Smith and Burton dropped and hopped 2 more perfect passes, or he could have gone 28-33 400+ and 4 TDs. Are you stupid enough to find meaning in that 2017 Cowboys game? Foles is 19-5 in real games since his rookie year if you exclude the impossible situation in St Louis. He is 21-5 if you include his pair of 20+ pass relief efforts where he had a 114 and a 135 rating. (@NY 2013 and @Indy 2016) He has a 100+ rating in 15 of those 26 games. He is a top 20 NFL starter in a league that does not have many great QBs. 2015 is just too hard to look past if you are an idiot. The reason he is a backup is because he was behind a Chiefs QB who has a 95 rating in the regular season and about a 100 rating in the playoffs. The reason he is the backup in Philly is because they have a #2 overall pick who was the league MVP after 13 weeks this year. He is not the starter in Arizona, or Buffalo, or Denver because their GMs are morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but I am very tired of really stupid people insulting the QB who just took my team to the Super Bowl. The latest justification from the media is that they are still right about Foles, but he is just the craziest high variance QB ever. Facts are that he is one of the lowest variance QBs ever if you exclude St Louis 2015. He is still no that bad if you include 2015. Eli Manning has thrown more picks than TDs in 25% of his games ( the king of high variance) Foles outside of St Louis does that at about the same rate as Tom Brady. The same is true for games below 60 passer rating for Foles career outside of St Louis compared to Brady's first 3 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtahUtesFan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I have a hard time not seeing a team offer a 3rd round pick for Foles which is something I'd consider if I was the Eagles. If it's a 2nd then without a question trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, UtahUtesFan said: I have a hard time not seeing a team offer a 3rd round pick for Foles which is something I'd consider if I was the Eagles. If it's a 2nd then without a question trade him. They won't move him until at least the trade deadline or possibly the next offseason and it won't be for a 3. They might even try to extend him if he is not looking to leave and make 12-15 million or more a year as a starter somewhere else. You have no idea how much money he will be worth to the franchise if he wins the Super Bowl. Imagine how much your team's fans love your team and then quadruple that. That is what the Eagles mean to Philly. Some people in Philly go to playoff games of other Philly teams while wearing Eagles gear. The fans will want him on the team and they will pay and pay and pay to support him. (even if they want a healthy Wentz starting) Getting to see Foles the Eagles Champion QB (if he wins) would be like Catholics getting to see the Pope. You spoil all that when you trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't see why people are saying he isn't a starter in this league. He absolutely is. In a league where a Ryan Tannehill has been an uncontested starter despite almost never having 2 back-to-back great games, he could definitely be the starter somewhere. he obviously isn't great enough to elevate a middling roster to a playoff team, but there's like what 4 guys in the league who have proven able to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Malik said: I don't see why people are saying he isn't a starter in this league. He absolutely is. In a league where a Ryan Tannehill has been an uncontested starter despite almost never having 2 back-to-back great games, he could definitely be the starter somewhere. he obviously isn't great enough to elevate a middling roster to a playoff team, but there's like what 4 guys in the league who have proven able to do that? Kelly was 26-21 as an Eagles coach. That's 14-4 with Foles and 12-17 without him. There is CONCRETE PROOF that Foles can elevate a middling roster. What is it about Foles that makes people so wrong so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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