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[SteelKing728]

This means, whether there was any real competition or not, that the WR5 position goes to either Reagor or Powell at this point, right?

[SemperFeist]

59 minutes ago, Sad People said:

He got beat out by a 7th round rookie QB and another JAG at QB in Sam Darnold. If they believed in his ability to play QB at a higher level than either of those guys theyd keep him.

None of this is necessarily true. Purdy did not beat out Lance. Lance, and Garoppolo, got hurt which allowed Purdy to get on the field. And he took that opportunity and made the most of it. 

Darnold was signed to play the backup role. He’s not looking to unseat Purdy. His role was never in question. 

Lance, on the other hand, wants to play. He wants to be a starter. He’s absolutely trying to unseat Purdy as the starter. The only problem is that the 49ers were never going to make that possible after declaring Purdy the unquestioned starter for 2023 back in February. 

This as an extremely bizarre situation, and one that the 49ers didn’t handle all that well. 

[swede700]

3 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said:

This means, whether there was any real competition or not, that the WR5 position goes to either Reagor or Powell at this point, right?

Yes.  I think that's always truly been the case anyway.  Harry would only have made the roster if they had maybe considered keeping 6, because he offers a different skillset than either Reagor or Powell. 

[JDBrocks]

 

 

[PrplChilPill]

2 hours ago, JDBrocks said:

Because he has enormous potential. His live game rep count is so low dating back even to high school. The tools are clearly there, he's just had bad injury luck on a team that can't wait for him to figure it out because they are ready to win now.

This. He has potential.... See if you can unlock it. 

[Captain Relax]

2 hours ago, vike daddy said:

Shanahan gave him th day off to "clear his head," after seeing how he reacted to the news. 

 

Via NFL.com, Shanahan explained that he decided to give Lance the day off after “watching how Trey was when we talked.” Shanahan determined it would be “better to, ‘Hey, take the day off, clear your head some, we’ll talk later in the afternoon and get you back in there tomorrow.’”

Shanahan said, per KNBR.com, that he wants Lance to stay with the team.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kyle-shanahan-gave-trey-lance-the-day-off-after-conversation-about-depth-chart

I think Shanahan is overrated as an evaluator of talent.

[Sad People]

48 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

None of this is necessarily true. Purdy did not beat out Lance. Lance, and Garoppolo, got hurt which allowed Purdy to get on the field. And he took that opportunity and made the most of it. 

Darnold was signed to play the backup role. He’s not looking to unseat Purdy. His role was never in question. 

Lance, on the other hand, wants to play. He wants to be a starter. He’s absolutely trying to unseat Purdy as the starter. The only problem is that the 49ers were never going to make that possible after declaring Purdy the unquestioned starter for 2023 back in February. 

This as an extremely bizarre situation, and one that the 49ers didn’t handle all that well. 

And yet Purdy came in and hasnt lost a game he started and finished and looked like he belonged in that offense. Trey Lance did not. You dont think they can and cant tell what they have in Lance from practice and preseason games? Argue semantics all you want but Brock Purdy is their starter now and Trey Lance is on the block. Thats all that needs to be said.

I dunno what to tell you if you dont think Lance and Darnold were going at it for the backup spot. If Lance was the better QB throughout the offseason Lance would be the backup, not Darnold, its that easy. A QB that they traded a plethora of draft capital for only 3 years ago their role on a team should not be in question if he was good enough to hang but in this case it isnt.

 

 

[Sad People]

1 hour ago, JDBrocks said:

 

 

Tom Brady attempted more passes last year than Trey Lance has combined since 2019.

Add Caleb Williams to this as well. He attempted more passes last year alone than Trey Lance.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Sad People

[PrplChilPill]

Just now, Sad People said:

Tom Brady attempted more passes lat year than Trey Lance has combined since 2019.

That's sort of the point of those saying we don't KNOW yet if he's good or bad.....he could be bad. He's worth rolling the dice on for a 5th or later for sure......because those picks are all rolls of dice, and none of them were ever top picks in the draft that most of the league thought had a chance to be great. He's 23......Could he be a bust? Absolutely. You still roll the dice on him. Especially if your backups right now aren't ever going to be starters (and I kind of like Hall).

[Sad People]

7 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said:

That's sort of the point of those saying we don't KNOW yet if he's good or bad.....he could be bad. He's worth rolling the dice on for a 5th or later for sure......because those picks are all rolls of dice, and none of them were ever top picks in the draft that most of the league thought had a chance to be great. He's 23......Could he be a bust? Absolutely. You still roll the dice on him. Especially if your backups right now aren't ever going to be starters (and I kind of like Hall).

Yes. As ive previously said. I dont have a problem with sending a 6th or a 7th for him..... But not defensive player and a pick swap....

Also that point in Trey Lance attempting so little passes isnt in his favor either especially when he hasnt been know ever to be a good passer of the football.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Sad People

[swede700]

12 minutes ago, Sad People said:

And yet Purdy came in and hasnt lost a game he started and finished and looked like he belonged in that offense. Trey Lance did not. You dont think they can and cant tell what they have in Lance from practice and preseason games? Argue semantics all you want but Brock Purdy is their starter now and Trey Lance is on the block. Thats all that needs to be said.

I dunno what to tell you if you dont think Lance and Darnold were going at it for the backup spot. If Lance was the better QB throughout the offseason Lance would be the backup, not Darnold, its that easy. A QB that they traded a plethora of draft capital for only 3 years ago their role on a team should not be in question if he was good enough to hang but in this case it isnt.

 

 

Purdy had been involved in the offensive scheme/plan for a full 11 weeks plus offseason before he was thrust into action.  Lance spent more time in the tub rehabbing than he has spent on the practice field over the last 2 years.  As we've seen with many players over the years, rehabbing has a tendency to make players regress more than progress in their knowledge of the offense, because they fall behind while trying to get back on the field. 

We can't forget that Lance actually had "won" the starting job over Jimmy G last year and got injured 2 games in.  He only may have won because of their dissatisfaction with Jimmy, but he still got the job and  got injured almost immediately into the 2nd game. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by swede700

[Sad People]

20 minutes ago, swede700 said:

Purdy had been involved in the offensive scheme/plan for a full 11 weeks plus offseason before he was thrust into action.  Lance spent more time in the tub rehabbing than he has spent on the practice field over the last 2 years.  As we've seen with many players over the years, rehabbing has a tendency to make players regress more than progress in their knowledge of the offense, because they fall behind while trying to get back on the field. 

We can't forget that Lance actually had "won" the starting job over Jimmy G last year and got injured 2 games in.  He only may have won because of their dissatisfaction with Jimmy, but he still got the job and  got injured almost immediately into the 2nd game. 

That is just factually wrong and a lazy argument. Trey Lance had his entire rookie year of practice getting introduced to the scheme, gameplan and playbook before Purdy even got into the building. He got a finger injury in preseason but other then that was able to participate in drills and practice. Trey also had the same offseason with Purdy where he Trey Lance got starter reps. Meanwhile Purdy is getting 3rd string probably 4th string reps.

These arent exactly ringing endorsements for Trey Lance and the bolded just proves even more of how Trey Lance is a bust at QB.

[JDBrocks]

18 minutes ago, Sad People said:

That is just factually wrong and a lazy argument. Trey Lance had his entire rookie year of practice getting introduced to the scheme, gameplan and playbook before Purdy even got into the building. He got a finger injury in preseason but other then that was able to participate in drills and practice. Trey also had the same offseason with Purdy where he Trey Lance got starter reps. Meanwhile Purdy is getting 3rd string probably 4th string reps.

These arent exactly ringing endorsements for Trey Lance and the bolded just proves even more of how Trey Lance is a bust at QB.

I mean he did win the starting job last year before getting injured...

[swede700]

56 minutes ago, Sad People said:

That is just factually wrong and a lazy argument. Trey Lance had his entire rookie year of practice getting introduced to the scheme, gameplan and playbook before Purdy even got into the building. He got a finger injury in preseason but other then that was able to participate in drills and practice. Trey also had the same offseason with Purdy where he Trey Lance got starter reps. Meanwhile Purdy is getting 3rd string probably 4th string reps.

These arent exactly ringing endorsements for Trey Lance and the bolded just proves even more of how Trey Lance is a bust at QB.

You can consider it lazy, but it is factually correct.  They also were still in the COVID pandemic in 2021, even though the rules had been relaxed, which was potentially another factor in his delayed development. 

Not to mention that Lance was way behind the 8-ball coming into the league, while Purdy had played nearly 50 games at FBS.  To consider them at the same level coming into the league is more of a lazy argument.  Physically, Lance was far superior, which is why he was drafted where he was at, but actual football experience prior to entering the league, Purdy was far superior...and I don't think that can be argued. 

Lance was always going to require more development than Purdy.  He never should have been drafted at #3 to begin with (as he probably should have still been available for the Vikings at #14) because of where he came from, but that's water under the bridge.   

But, ultimately, he did win the starting job in 2022, but then fell behind once again. Injuries have derailed more younger careers than almost any other reason.  Ask guys like Mike Hughes, Ki-Jana Carter, or Charles Rogers whether injuries derailed their development. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by swede700

[wcblack34]

Trey Lance should be a cautionary tale about drafting "traits" when there isn't tape to go along with it. Yes, injuries have definitely played their role, but third overall was always way too high for him.