MrOaktown_56 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 5 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Um, when did I say Goff didn't have a bigger sample size than Garoppolo? Of course he does, but he only has one good season and a fairly small sample size himself. 16 games >>>>> 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLadd Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 How is this a debate? Jared Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 5 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: 16 games >>>>> 7 games. Actually Goff has started 23 games. Don't forget his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Goff. He's 3 years younger yet more proven and imo has a higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Bobikus said: Goff. He's 3 years younger yet more proven and imo has a higher ceiling. just because hes taller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 7:08 PM, jrry32 said: That's because you are only posting volume numbers and are conveniently ignoring that Brady attempted over 100 more passes. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm Their numbers are on par. Brady is a better QB, but that doesn't change what Goff produced last year. But we're arguing semantics at this point. The radio thing isn't about "need," it's about using a resource you have. I doubt either QB "needs" it, but why wouldn't you use it? Brady: Passer rating 102. 8, 66.3% completion percentage, 7.9 AVE, QBR (I hate using this stat but's it's in your link) 70.2 Goff: Passer rating 100.5, 62.1% completion percentage, 8.0 YA, QBR 48.4 Even so Brady has 1 more INT on over 100 more passes. He wasn't at Brady's level. Goff produced, but you're over selling where he was. You also have to consider that Brady played the entire year without his go to receiver and he didn't have a running back like Gurley to keep team's honest. Anyways at this rate I'd have Goff over Garoppolo but mostly off of playing time. Really I think it's early to make judgments on either of them. Goff clocked in one good season, Jimmy clocked in a little under a third of a season of good games. Consistency is underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Burgess Jr. Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I choose garapoppolo over Goff because I feel like he is more injury resistant. I feel like that is a big factor in building a franchise on a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 3 hours ago, lancerman said: Brady: Passer rating 102. 8, 66.3% completion percentage, 7.9 AVE, QBR (I hate using this stat but's it's in your link) 70.2 Goff: Passer rating 100.5, 62.1% completion percentage, 8.0 YA, QBR 48.4 Even so Brady has 1 more INT on over 100 more passes. He wasn't at Brady's level. Goff produced, but you're over selling where he was. You also have to consider that Brady played the entire year without his go to receiver and he didn't have a running back like Gurley to keep team's honest. Anyways at this rate I'd have Goff over Garoppolo but mostly off of playing time. Really I think it's early to make judgments on either of them. Goff clocked in one good season, Jimmy clocked in a little under a third of a season of good games. Consistency is underrated. Goff 62.1% completion percentage 5.9% TD% 1.5% Int% 4:1 TD:Int Ratio 12.9 YPC 8.0 YPA 8.5 AYPA 100.5 Passer Rating 7.24 NYPA 7.72 ANYPA Brady 66.3% completion percentage 5.5 TD% 1.4% Int% 4:1 TD:Int Ratio 11.9 YPC 7.9 YPA 8.4 AYPA 102.8 Passer Rating 7.1 NYPA 7.56 ANYPA His production was absolutely on Brady's level. And lol at you using QBR, just lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, James Burgess Jr. said: I choose garapoppolo over Goff because I feel like he is more injury resistant. I feel like that is a big factor in building a franchise on a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Burgess Jr. Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I think injuries can be a major thing that negates talent. I think they are both very talented though, I would just rather have my qb on the field not holding a clipboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, James Burgess Jr. said: I think injuries can be a major thing that negates talent. I think they are both very talented though, I would just rather have my qb on the field not holding a clipboard Jimmy Garoppolo got injured in his second start of his career (shoulder injury) and forced the Patriots to start Jacoby Brissett until Brady returned. Meanwhile, Goff never missed a game due to injury in college. in the NFL, Goff has never missed a start either (*knock on wood*, but the Rams did pull him out of a game in 2016 after a big hit from Sherman to make sure he didn't have a concussion. There's nothing to indicate that Goff is more injury prone than Garoppolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Goff just put up an above average season statistically. He also put up the worst statistical season in Football Outsider's history his rookie year IIRC. I think he ends up somewhere in between. Garoppolo is a gamer. I've been impressed watching his career unfold thus far. Still too early to say definitively either way, but give me Garoppolo as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said: Goff just put up an above average season statistically. He also put up the worst statistical season in Football Outsider's history his rookie year IIRC. I think he ends up somewhere in between. Garoppolo is a gamer. I've been impressed watching his career unfold thus far. Still too early to say definitively either way, but give me Garoppolo as of now. LOL. His season was top 5 statistically in 2017. And his offense ended up #1 in the NFL in PPG. He did all of that at 23 years old in his first year in a new scheme and his second year in the NFL. I feel quite confident that a former #1 overall pick didn't peak in his second year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: LOL. His season was top 5 statistically in 2017. And his offense ended up #1 in the NFL in PPG. He did all of that at 23 years old in his first year in a new scheme and his second year in the NFL. I feel quite confident that a former #1 overall pick didn't peak in his second year. I mean, so was Case Keenum's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, HTTRG3Dynasty said: I mean, so was Case Keenum's... No, it wasn't. Wentz, Brady, Goff, Smith, and Brees were the top 5 statistical seasons. And then you have Stafford, Rivers, and Wilson who were all arguably better than Keenum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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