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6 hours ago, Tperk said:

From HC candidate for some to canned as OC in just a few weeks.

zimmer has kind of run through OCs pretty fast over there in MN.

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2 hours ago, Arthur Penske said:

From HC candidate for some to canned as OC in just a few weeks.

zimmer has kind of run through OCs pretty fast over there in MN.

He's had Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur and DeFilippo.

Turners offense is so outdated, he resigned halfway through the year making way for Shurmur. Shurmur was great last year and got a HC gig. 

 

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4 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Still don't think Zimmer has what it take ls to lead a SB team.

Too old school at this point IMO. Ideal coordinator type though.

Zimmers problem is that whenever he gets a successful offense, that OC will leave for a HC gig. Hard to maintain that side of the ball. I'm sure most defensive minded coaches must deal with this.

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2 minutes ago, vikingsrule said:

Zimmers problem is that whenever he gets a successful offense, that OC will leave for a HC gig. Hard to maintain that side of the ball. I'm sure most defensive minded coaches must deal with this.

He's also just TOO straightforward. Need to be a little conniving to be really good in the NFL.

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3 hours ago, incognito_man said:

He's also just TOO straightforward. Need to be a little conniving to be really good in the NFL.

And he acts like people on an Internet forum.  Kicker missed two kicks?  Cut him.  Offensive coordinator has bad game?  Fire him.  Zimmer is like a FF Packer fan.

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On 12/11/2018 at 8:00 AM, Howler said:

Cousins looks fine to me, aside from his fumble issues. The ball comes out with zip on time and accurately. That's all you can ask of a QB. But that offensive line. I didn't realize how bad it's gotten and it wasn't good at the beginning either. 

Having Tony Sparano would help right now. Not saying the O-Line would be good but not this bad. 

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15 hours ago, vikingsrule said:

He's had Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur and DeFilippo.

Turners offense is so outdated, he resigned halfway through the year making way for Shurmur. Shurmur was great last year and got a HC gig. 

 

Ya I’m aware of who they are and why they went but it doesn’t change the fact Zimmer has went through a good amount the past few seasons. 

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26 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

Ya I’m aware of who they are and why they went but it doesn’t change the fact Zimmer has went through a good amount the past few seasons. 

I would expect that trend to continue.

If his OC does well, they will quickly be in line for a promotion to HC elsewhere.

If they do poorly, they will be deservedly fired.

The lesson here is to hire offensive minded coaches as head coach because it is an offense focused league now.

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I just want to see one team one time in my life take that risk of trading a QB at the height of their value and get a massive load to build a dynasty with. 

I stated after the Eagles Super Bowl win that if I were the Eagles, I'd roll with Foles and trade Wentz for an absolute monster haul, probably three first round picks AND a player. 

I obviously got laughed at by anyone I suggested it to, but look at the Eagles right now. 

.500 with him, below that without him. 

I just hope some day in my lifetime that trade gets made. 

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20 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

I just want to see one team one time in my life take that risk of trading a QB at the height of their value and get a massive load to build a dynasty with. 

I stated after the Eagles Super Bowl win that if I were the Eagles, I'd roll with Foles and trade Wentz for an absolute monster haul, probably three first round picks AND a player. 

I obviously got laughed at by anyone I suggested it to, but look at the Eagles right now. 

.500 with him, below that without him. 

I just hope some day in my lifetime that trade gets made. 

Like Josh McDaniels did with Cutler?  Didn't turn out too good for him. I know it isn't the best example of what you are talking about, but Denver traded Cutler after his best season ever as a Pro. And they did arguably get a massive return to build with (2 first round picks, a 3rd, round pick, and Kyle Orton). Reminds me of the trade you were talking about with Rodgers and the Raiders earlier in the season.

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5 minutes ago, KingOfTheNorth said:

Like Josh McDaniels did with Cutler?  Didn't turn out too good for him. I know it isn't the best example of what you are talking about, but Denver traded Cutler after his best season ever as a Pro. And they did arguably get a massive return to build with (2 first round picks, a 3rd, round pick, and Kyle Orton). Reminds me of the trade you were talking about with Rodgers and the Raiders earlier in the season.

One can make an argument that Cleveland did it when they traded their rights for Wentz, the Titans for Goff, and the Rams for RG3. The Colts also this year for Darnold. 

Some to different degrees than the others. You could argue it worked out in the long run for every team, but they all went through some crap for a while to get there. 

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Just now, KingOfTheNorth said:

Like Josh McDaniels did with Cutler?  Didn't turn out too good for him. I know it isn't the best example of what you are talking about, but Denver traded Cutler after his best season ever as a Pro. And they did arguably get a massive return to build with (2 first round picks, a 3rd, round pick, and Kyle Orton). Reminds me of the trade you were talking about with Rodgers and the Raiders earlier in the season.

That one was tarnished by Cutler asking out.  Value always drops when a player vocally wants out.  Still, 25 touchdowns/18 interceptions... That was Cutler's best year.  That's not the promise Wentz/Rodgers/Goff provide. 

The Broncos ended up getting D. Thomas through a bunch of trades, as well as other players (including Eric Decker).  Broncos won Super Bowl with those two players, Bears were in purgatory for 8 years.  Broncos won that trade, and haivng Thomas and Decker allowed them to get Manning. 

Imagine the haul a team would get from a player like Wentz/Goff/Rodgers after a Super Bowl win without the player requesting a trade.

The long-lasting impact would help set up a dynasty the same way the Herschel Walker trade helped set up the Cowboys dynasty. 

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