MKnight82 Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jlash said: I'm arguing you have zero context for "he's not worth it" when you don't really what the worth is. Other than that, he's a 25 year old pass rusher, who learned a new position coming into the league, doing ok for himself and you want to dump him based on hypotheticals. Do you, man. Watch him play then get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 10:18 PM, Jlash said: I'm arguing you have zero context for "he's not worth it" when you don't really what the worth is. Other than that, he's a 25 year old pass rusher, who learned a new position coming into the league, doing ok for himself and you want to dump him based on hypotheticals. Do you, man. I'm not there is "zero" context. The easiest thing would be to look at what other players received last year. Donta Hightower: 4y/$35.5M ($8.875M AAV)/$19M guar/$17M guar at signing Jabaal Sheard: 3y/$25.5M ($8.500M AAV)/$12.75M guar/$9.5M guar at signing Malcolm Smith: 5y/$26.5M ($5.300M AAV)/$11.5M guar/$11.5M guar at signing John Simon: 3y/$13.5M ($4.500M AAV)/$5.5M guar/$5.5M guar at signing Now, if the Redskins could get him at a John Simon price, then I think they'd do it. I suspect that @MKnight82 believes the contract is going to be closer to the Hightower side of things. I would be curious, MK, where your "keep/trade" line is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Woz said: I'm not there is "zero" context. The easiest thing would be to look at what other players received last year. Donta Hightower: 4y/$35.5M ($8.875M AAV)/$19M guar/$17M guar at signing Jabaal Sheard: 3y/$25.5M ($8.500M AAV)/$12.75M guar/$9.5M guar at signing Malcolm Smith: 5y/$26.5M ($5.300M AAV)/$11.5M guar/$11.5M guar at signing John Simon: 3y/$13.5M ($4.500M AAV)/$5.5M guar/$5.5M guar at signing Now, if the Redskins could get him at a John Simon price, then I think they'd do it. I suspect that @MKnight82 believes the contract is going to be closer to the Hightower side of things. I would be curious, MK, where your "keep/trade" line is. I think he's a back up caliber OLB. So that John Simon contract looks ok. I would also want to draft a replacement and Smith would have to accept a role coming off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, Woz said: I'm not there is "zero" context. The easiest thing would be to look at what other players received last year. Donta Hightower: 4y/$35.5M ($8.875M AAV)/$19M guar/$17M guar at signing Jabaal Sheard: 3y/$25.5M ($8.500M AAV)/$12.75M guar/$9.5M guar at signing Malcolm Smith: 5y/$26.5M ($5.300M AAV)/$11.5M guar/$11.5M guar at signing John Simon: 3y/$13.5M ($4.500M AAV)/$5.5M guar/$5.5M guar at signing Now, if the Redskins could get him at a John Simon price, then I think they'd do it. I suspect that @MKnight82 believes the contract is going to be closer to the Hightower side of things. I would be curious, MK, where your "keep/trade" line is. Hightower and Smith aren't 3-4 rush LB's so I'm not sure if they really count as in the same field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Jlash said: Hightower and Smith aren't 3-4 rush LB's so I'm not sure if they really count as in the same field. Maybe not, but it's something as a ball park comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Woz said: Maybe not, but it's something as a ball park comparison. I could see him looking for a deal in the Jabaal Sheard range though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 1:16 AM, MKnight82 said: This is an absolute joke of a statement. And people wonder why you and I argue. Let me enter this evidence into the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, MKnight82 said: I think he's a back up caliber OLB. So that John Simon contract looks ok. I would also want to draft a replacement and Smith would have to accept a role coming off the bench. Redskins ranked number 2 in pass rushing as a team in 2017. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915923/article/eagles-redskins-seahawks-head-nfls-best-passrushing-units Total pressures: 269. Top pass rusher: Ryan Kerrigan (51 pressures). Washington was one of 12 teams to clear 40 sacks on the season. The Redskins' underrated front seven offers a bevy of players who can get after the quarterback on a consistent basis, with Kerrigan leading the way. Third-year pass rusher Preston Smith is one of the more underrated young defenders in the league. He led all players with 200 or more pass-rush attempts in pressure rate, recording a pressure on 15.9 percent of his rushes. His sack totals (eight in 2017) simply don't do his play justice. Washington had three players finish inside the top 12 in pressure rate in 2017, with impending free agent Junior Galette joining Kerrigan and Smith. The team also has another young potential star on its hands in 2017 first-round pick Jonathan Allen. The rookie went down early with a Lisfranc injury, but he looked like the next great interior disruptor, with 16 pressures in just five games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Redskins ranked number 2 in pass rushing as a team in 2017. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915923/article/eagles-redskins-seahawks-head-nfls-best-passrushing-units You don't want those 2.5 sacks/year John Simon type play though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Jlash said: You don't want those 2.5 sacks/year John Simon type play though? It is what it is. Mknight has made up his mind, there’s no changing it. I’ve now posted two articles proving that’s Preston Smith is better than he thinks, and done it multiple times with Junior Galette as well. It doesn’t matter, he’s not going to change his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: Redskins ranked number 2 in pass rushing as a team in 2017. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915923/article/eagles-redskins-seahawks-head-nfls-best-passrushing-units This article is ridiculous. You really believe the Redskins have a better pass rush than the Jags? Better than the Panthers? This is one of those times you’ve just gotta look at the article and say something is off here. The guys definition of a pressure is any time the defender was within 2 yards of the QB at the time of the throw. It takes no consideration of whether the player made any sort of impact on the play or not. I know you watched all 16 redskins games last year, do you honestly believe this article or are you just posting it to be argumentative? btw the author of the article is “associate fantasy football writer”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 To be fair, the redskins pass rush was pretty damn good when Allen and Ioannidis were healthy. If we get Payne to go along things I think you'll see a major jump in Prestons sack numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, lavar703 said: To be fair, the redskins pass rush was pretty damn good when Allen and Ioannidis were healthy. If we get Payne to go along things I think you'll see a major jump in Prestons sack numbers. We rarely use a 3-4 set though. I like Payne, but I’m not thrilled about using a first round pick on a guy that’s going to play 30% of our snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dashing202 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 15 hours ago, lavar703 said: To be fair, the redskins pass rush was pretty damn good when Allen and Ioannidis were healthy. If we get Payne to go along things I think you'll see a major jump in Prestons sack numbers. I agree with you . The redskins did need to blitz more and play more press coverage . overall I am pleased on how the pass rush looked. I am fine with Payne or Vets . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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