H2ThaIzzo Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 3:41 PM, brownie man said: Yeah but did you see how terrible our pass rush got once Ogbah went down Nassib is basically non existent we can’t be put in a position to depend on Nassib and Orchard to apply pressure I did. But thats the funny thing, Practically everyone in favor of Chubb thinks Ogbah isn't an effective pass rusher, which is why they are in favor of Chubb. But as you said, when he was healthy, Ogbah was a force, even if the stat line didn't show a ton of sacks by him alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I am firmly on the Bradley Chubb at 4 bandwagon. Lets hope the Colts dont pick him. But seeing as how it took a 3rd and 4th last year for Chicago to move up a spot, I dont know if im in the trade up club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, ohiogenius said: I am firmly on the Bradley Chubb at 4 bandwagon. Lets hope the Colts dont pick him. But seeing as how it took a 3rd and 4th last year for Chicago to move up a spot, I dont know if im in the trade up club You either get a stud at RB or a stud at DE. Either way the Browns walk out with a true BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, buno67 said: You either get a stud at RB or a stud at DE. Either way the Browns walk out with a true BPA The only problem I see with this is that neither BPA is worth a #4. Barkley might be premier, but he is a RB and there are a lot of good ones to be had later in the draft. Chubb simply is not premier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 4:45 PM, freakygeniuskid said: Same. If all we need is a 3rd DE for the rotation, you can get that in the 2nd or FA. Facts, plentiful of good young pass rushers that could be had in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, bruceb said: The only problem I see with this is that neither BPA is worth a #4. Barkley might be premier, but he is a RB and there are a lot of good ones to be had later in the draft. Chubb simply is not premier. There are good RBs later in the draft but there is no other RBs that come close to what Barkley can do or nearly have the potential of Barkley. Browns have been desperate for a playmaker. In one draft the Browns can get their QBOTF and the best playmaker without costing them future picks. I have gone back to the 2015 PSU v. OSU game. When watching Barkley play in that game, he looks like he is the best player on the field and that says a lot because the players that are trying to wreck him were pretty damn good. Ill never forget when Bosa had him dead to rights for a two yard loss and he juke him right out of his shoes. To me he is the only RB in the draft you could build a legit offense around for everything he can do. I totally think Chub is a premier player. Some of the best hands seen since Bosa. To me he is the 3rd best defensive linemen to come out since the '15. #1 is Bosa and #2 is Garrett. Bosa was a technical freak, where Garrett is an athletic freak. IMO Chubb is a little bit of both, Chubb's technique with his hands are so damn good. Watching his film, you rarely see him get beat to the outside, the way he uses hands and outside pressure is a thing a of beauty and I think he is a better athlete than what he is given credit for. To me he might be the ideal strong DE with Garrett because of his ability to defend the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, buno67 said: There are good RBs later in the draft but there is no other RBs that come close to what Barkley can do or nearly have the potential of Barkley. Browns have been desperate for a playmaker. In one draft the Browns can get their QBOTF and the best playmaker without costing them future picks. I have gone back to the 2015 PSU v. OSU game. When watching Barkley play in that game, he looks like he is the best player on the field and that says a lot because the players that are trying to wreck him were pretty damn good. Ill never forget when Bosa had him dead to rights for a two yard loss and he juke him right out of his shoes. To me he is the only RB in the draft you could build a legit offense around for everything he can do. I totally think Chub is a premier player. Some of the best hands seen since Bosa. To me he is the 3rd best defensive linemen to come out since the '15. #1 is Bosa and #2 is Garrett. Bosa was a technical freak, where Garrett is an athletic freak. IMO Chubb is a little bit of both, Chubb's technique with his hands are so damn good. Watching his film, you rarely see him get beat to the outside, the way he uses hands and outside pressure is a thing a of beauty and I think he is a better athlete than what he is given credit for. To me he might be the ideal strong DE with Garrett because of his ability to defend the run. Ok, I'll buy this. But only if we take Darnold at #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, buno67 said: Ill never forget when Bosa had him dead to rights for a two yard loss and he juke him right out of his shoes. Well a RB juking a DE in the open field isn't news. Duke Johnson could have done that to Reggie White, no DE would be expected to always make that tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 hours ago, H2ThaIzzo said: I did. But thats the funny thing, Practically everyone in favor of Chubb thinks Ogbah isn't an effective pass rusher, which is why they are in favor of Chubb. But as you said, when he was healthy, Ogbah was a force, even if the stat line didn't show a ton of sacks by him alone. I"m not saying Ogbah isn't a force hes actually a really underrated pass rusher but if your going to make any unit on an NFL team your dominate unit it should be your pass rushers build the trenches these guys have a long life span, and can really control a game Being able to move one of Garrett, Chubb, or Ogbah inside on passing downs with Larry Ogunjobi or Brantley or Coley would be lethal O lines would seriously have trouble dealing with us for an entire game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: Well a RB juking a DE in the open field isn't news. Duke Johnson could have done that to Reggie White, no DE would be expected to always make that tackle. Well when one of them is just a true freshmen RB and Bosa is one of the best defenders in the nation, it’s impressive. We haven’t seen any RB due that to Bosa in the league. Also it’s not like he had yards to set up his juke, barkley was in a telephone booth with him and nailed him with his jump cut. Prolly the best jump cut since Sanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Hammer Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I'm sure we could sign an impact pass rushing specialist in free agency. Garrett and Ogbah is a really good one-two combo. Do people not think Ogbah can improve his sack numbers? He's already up there with tfl rate isn't he? And Garrett is obviously going to be a monster should he remain healthy. If we're looking for pass rush only, get it in free agency. There are often specialist sack guys available. I'd be gutted personally if we passed on Barkley for Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Aztec Hammer said: I'm sure we could sign an impact pass rushing specialist in free agency. Garrett and Ogbah is a really good one-two combo. Do people not think Ogbah can improve his sack numbers? He's already up there with tfl rate isn't he? And Garrett is obviously going to be a monster should he remain healthy. If we're looking for pass rush only, get it in free agency. There are often specialist sack guys available. I'd be gutted personally if we passed on Barkley for Chubb. Yeah, either free agency or mid rounds we should be able to find a one dimensional guy to rush the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Aztec Hammer said: Do people not think Ogbah can improve his sack numbers? He's already up there with tfl rate isn't he? When he was healthy, Ogbah was top 10 in the league in combined TFL/Sack rate. I don't get the desire to replace him AT ALL. If we want better pass rush, it's going to come from the interior and from more creative use of extra rushers IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Hammer Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said: When he was healthy, Ogbah was top 10 in the league in combined TFL/Sack rate. I don't get the desire to replace him AT ALL. If we want better pass rush, it's going to come from the interior and from more creative use of extra rushers IMO. Completely agree. Trading up from pick 4 for a non-freaky DE that will put Ogbah on the bench... awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, freakygeniuskid said: When he was healthy, Ogbah was top 10 in the league in combined TFL/Sack rate. I don't get the desire to replace him AT ALL. If we want better pass rush, it's going to come from the interior and from more creative use of extra rushers IMO. Ogbah is a quality end, no doubt, but even projecting out his sacks to a full 16 games he’s still in the 6ish range which isn’t very good. The TFL/sack rate is great, and it shows just how great he was against the run, but his pass rush production is lacking. Also, he’s accumulated HALF of his career sacks against the Bengals and their garbage OT’s. Take that however you like. Now, with all of that said, I’m not looking to replace him per se. I think we DO need an increased pass rush from the end position, but that can be aided with a 3rd down specialist. Nassib and Orchard are in need of someone to push them to produce or we need to move on from them as they provide NOTHING when it comes to a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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