2018 NFL Combine (measurements in OP)

[reamer]

Just now, DreamKid said:

Man, Jordan Thomas Oklahoma with a 6.28 3 cone.

 

Yeah, I was just looking at that. I've never seen anyone break 6.3 officially. Maybe some odd pro day, but not at the Combine. Crazy numbers for a lot of these guys:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2018&workout=THREE_CONE_DRILL&position=QB-RB-WR-TE-S-EDGE-DL-LB-CB-OL-SPEC

[DreamKid]

1 minute ago, reamer said:

Crazy numbers for a lot of these guys

The frequency of crazy numbers during this combine is just amazing.

[Broncofan]

1 hour ago, DreamKid said:

Man, Jordan Thomas Oklahoma with a 6.28 3 cone.

And a 3.94 20 yd shuttle.   I thought the 3-cone must have been a mistake but that shuttle is also elite.

10’4 broad and 38’ vert.   Yet a 4.64 40 at 6’ 186.  Insane short area skills. 

As a reference - the record was 6.42, and there have been only 10 guys who've ever hit 6.42-6.50.   Nuts.

[smokeybandit]

https://twitter.com/RobPaul54/status/970849500574068736

[Broncofan]

On 3/1/2018 at 5:18 PM, MD4L said:

How was Saquan Barkley not a five star recruit?

To circle back to this Q, no better illustration on how unpredictable player development can be from age 18 to 21:

25 lbs bigger 3 years later - yet more explosion/burst/straight line speed.  Unreal.  Not hard to see how no one saw that coming.

[Iamcanadian]

5 hours ago, Broncofan said:

At work, the google doc link isn't working, and NFL/WF aren't updating - are the drills done?   Anyone have a link with the 3-cone/shuttles and vert/broad?

Here you go, they have everything you could want.

http://walterfootball.com/combine2018OL.php

[Iamcanadian]

10 hours ago, PapaShogun said:

Why are NFL combine results labeled as unofficial? What is official then?

Unofficial, means they are hand timed, which is actually what every team uses and Official Times means they are electronically timed by a machine, but no pro team actually goes by official times, it is only for the TV audience that they do it!!!

[TecmoSuperJoe]

1 hour ago, Iamcanadian said:

Unofficial, means they are hand timed, which is actually what every team uses and Official Times means they are electronically timed by a machine, but no pro team actually goes by official times, it is only for the TV audience that they do it!!!

Actually, I did some more research. The "unofficial times" at the combine are all partially electronically done.

The NFL only tried using the fully electronically timed method once in 2012, but the results weren't released. 

[goldfishwars]

Derwin is a freak...

 

[MD4L]

You guys forgot about Matthew Thomas.

[MD4L]

Anyone think Donte Jackson can play safety?

[Tugboat]

On 3/2/2018 at 12:13 PM, Da_Ducktator said:

I know some people are going to look at Mark Walton's size and be disappointed with his time, but this shouldn't be shocking. My comparison to him was James White. He wins with quick feet, balance, and ability to make people miss in space. Here's just a few excerpts from my notes:

"Decent play speed but may not test as well as needed for frame..."

"Good lateral agility and does a nice job of keeping his feet clean.."

"Runs with low center of gravity and displays solid ankle flexion... Runs with really good balance..."

"Summary: Overall: You can see similiar traits to James White that will make teams want to scoop him before falling out of the top 100 as JW did... May not test well as I'm unsure of his long speed, but the foot quickness, balance, and ability to make people miss in space show up on tape and could be a quality contributor in the right role... Will need to check out medically and character-wise as well..."

I'm not entirely sold on the James White comp, but i can see where it's coming from.  In any case though, i'd agree that it's oftentimes silly to get overly concerned with the 40 time of a smaller/shorter RB like that.  He basically posted basically identical numbers to Devonta Freeman, who i'd consider a very similar sort of back/projected role.  Not gonna be a bell cow, nor a track runner specialist "niche player"...but a really nice part of a tandem (which most teams use these days anyway).  He's got a plenty decent balance of quickness/shiftiness, with good enough long speed to force defenders into good angles when he breaks through...with some good open field vision and a frame that's solid enough to at least give you some versatility.

 

On 3/2/2018 at 12:33 PM, Forge said:

Thanks, I didn't get to see the runs. I have to say I'm impressed...I wasn't overly infatuated with him on tape. I actually thought Damien Harris was the better runner. May have to go back and watch more, those figures are pretty hard to ignore. 

On tape, i don't even think it's close.  Harris is head and shoulders above, the far more impressive runner and RB prospect overall.

I'm pretty surprised by how well Scarbrough tested all around.  He doesn't look very fast, or very explosive on tape.  He's got the exact opposite of a compact frame that i'd like to see at the RB position though...which can be a real advantage in some of this testing (especially the 40).  And that long frame shows up a lot in the way he runs in game.  Just not a fan, even if his testing did sorta raise an eyebrow.

[Tugboat]

On 3/2/2018 at 2:22 PM, The LBC said:

Also, anyone else having a problem getting hyped about Brian O'Neill's quality 40 and more so 3-cone times due to the eye-test on his lower-body?  Granted, I had the same concerned about DJ Humphries coming out and he's eventually come good, but I have a hard time getting past O'Neill's chicken legs.

Pretty freaky combine for O'Neill, but yeah...hard to look at that without context of the chicken legs and how raw he appears to be overall, and the Sr Bowl stuff as well.  Don't see any reason he won't be capable of adding some mass and power to his lower body over time, but like Humphries, it may take a little while to get everything in order to make good on the athleticism.

On 3/3/2018 at 2:05 AM, goldfishwars said:

Royce Freeman had the third best 3-come amongst RB’s, 6.90. 

Sounds entirely right.  The guy does 99% of his good work inside a phonebooth.  He's not fast or punishing as a back...but he's got some real talent in zigzagging through traffic with balance and his feet solidly underneath him.

On 3/3/2018 at 7:35 AM, Rich7sena said:

Chark running a highly impressive 4.34. Martavis Bryant comp is holding up.

That sounds about right too.  Run down the field and wait for the ball...sort of WR profile.

[reamer]

46 minutes ago, Tugboat said:

I'm not entirely sold on the James White comp, but i can see where it's coming from.  In any case though, i'd agree that it's oftentimes silly to get overly concerned with the 40 time of a smaller/shorter RB like that.  He basically posted basically identical numbers to Devonta Freeman, who i'd consider a very similar sort of back/projected role.  Not gonna be a bell cow, nor a track runner specialist "niche player"...but a really nice part of a tandem (which most teams use these days anyway).  He's got a plenty decent balance of quickness/shiftiness, with good enough long speed to force defenders into good angles when he breaks through...with some good open field vision and a frame that's solid enough to at least give you some versatility.

 

On tape, i don't even think it's close.  Harris is head and shoulders above, the far more impressive runner and RB prospect overall.

I'm pretty surprised by how well Scarbrough tested all around.  He doesn't look very fast, or very explosive on tape.  He's got the exact opposite of a compact frame that i'd like to see at the RB position though...which can be a real advantage in some of this testing (especially the 40).  And that long frame shows up a lot in the way he runs in game.  Just not a fan, even if his testing did sorta raise an eyebrow.

Agree 100% about Harris. He looks good, not because he's a workout warrior (he might be that, too), but because of his vision and balance. One thing in Scarborough's favor, however: he was the primary pass-catching back for the Tide. While I don't like him as an every down runner, he's really good in space with a head of steam. He's a little more natural than Richardson, but he still needs to be a third down back to flourish.

[Tugboat]

On 3/3/2018 at 9:53 AM, G08 said:

I lived through the Jay Cuter era (as a fan) and I see a lot of him in Allen. If/when he's drafted, they'd better surround him with good coaches and keep him in the same damn scheme. Protection up the middle will be important as well or he will develop some bad habits quickly.

That's my Josh Allen comp too.  Bit bigger, more raw coming out...version of Jay Cutler.  Has that same sort of arm talent and hero complex.  Going to really need the right situation to make it work, but there's a ton of upside there.  It's just...risky.

On 3/3/2018 at 11:05 AM, marshawn lynch said:

Not a speedy guy... Just an awesome deep ball player. They throw so many deep balls at OSU. He really knows how to track and adjust to the ball. If he was a speed guy on top of that he would probably be a borderline top 10 pick

I don't know that i'd say Washington isn't a "speed guy" per se.  That's a huge part of his game.  But it's not just a raw track speed game.  He clearly has the speed on tape to run past guys and all of the deep ball skills you want in a lid lifter.  His time is decent for what he is.  Could've done himself some favours with a bit better time on the clock, but it's not the sort of thing that raises red flags.  At least, not anything that wasn't already there with that Oklahoma State spread system in the first place.

On 3/3/2018 at 12:35 PM, IDOG_det said:

Gesicki would be such a good prospect if he could block 

He's still a good prospect anyway.  But it really is the chink in his armour with an otherwise superb combine showing.  Though there was no way he was honestly going to demonstrate that he's anything other than a non-blocker at the combine, in shorts.  Everyone already knew he was a crazy athlete for the position though, right?  Basically just confirming that in solid fashion.  Landing spot is gonna be important for him.  Needs to find a place that's going to accept what he is and just let him run around and catch footballs like a WR.

On 3/3/2018 at 2:58 PM, goldfishwars said:

6.57 3-cone was unexpected for Courtland Sutton, many expected him to test a little stiff. 

I was certainly surprised on that.  Though i was expecting less "stiff", and more just...slower, and/or less explosive.  He looks reasonably smooth and fluid on tape to me, just...kinda one-speed a lot of the time.  Wondering now if it's a bit like Alshon Jeffery (who i also quite liked, but wondered a bit about athleticism) where he's almost too smooth for his own good, in terms of looking more one-speed than he is.