blankman0021 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Apex said: If you say so. Seems to me that between learning McCarthys offense and getting on the same page and gaining ARod's trust takes a season or two. They’re re-drawing the entire offensive playbook. Everybody will have plenty to digest. Jennings came in as a rookie contributor. Just depends on if they can run routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 That's great gentlemen but the post I was responding to was saying we could get a starter potentially in the third round, I think that's highly unlikely. I never stated that a rookie couldn't contribute just that a rookie's contributions would not be that significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 10:04 AM, TheBitzMan said: Don't know where you got your stats from? Week 17 v. Detroit, Gilbert had a sack and 2 tackles. Fackrell had 2 tackles. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712310det.htm Fackrell also played in 26 regular season games before that. All I am saying is Fackrell should not be on the field over guys with potential. You guys obviously have opposing views which is perfectly fine. If Pettine can fix him, more power to him. That would be great! Interesting... I got my stats from Forecaster: http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nfl/roster/GB I quit watching the the Lions game in the 1st quarter, so I don't know what stats are correct. Anyway, this isn't an either or scenario. I hope they both bust out, I'm sure you do, too. For Fackrell, to ignore how much better he was after the bye last year makes no sense. If he can improve a bit more and play like that for the entire 2018 season, the Packers will have a good 3rd OLB next year. On the flip side, if Fackrell stinks it up again in preseason, he'll be cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Here's an interview with Pettine from back in January Starting about the 1:45 mark he answers some questions about what his defense is all about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Anyone know if the Packers have said anything about moving Rollins to safety ? I'm starting to re=think the dirt I threw on his grave if we do. But not as a corner. At first I scoffed at the move, but maybe it could work. This has as much to do with the questions regarding Jones and Brice as anything. If Jones continues his struggles in space, maybe Rollins and his ball skills could fill that role nicely. I don't think he has a shot at a second contract (this being his last year) so he finds himself in no mans land. Don't know if there is enough time for him to make a good enough impression, but we may have a void there. This is one of the positions I thought Gute would have addressed, but he hasn't Of course this all becomes much easier if Jones can secure the spot next to HHCD. I just have lingering doubts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Initially I thought Rollins too small for the position - but he's right in there with others. We've got six guys on the roster already at Safety. I dont know how many UDFA's were signed up for the same slot. Of those already signed, all are either 2nd/3rd year guy's except HHCD. So the position's got depth to it IMO and is "protected" contractually. Did he ever play Safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Damn Tramon went there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 If you look back at the Packers Super Bowl team in 2010 - they had a decent pass rush ( and great DBs) Here's how the 2010 pass rush ( sack totals) compares vs the 2017 production grouped by position 2010 Total Sacks = 47 16 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 25 DL - 19 DBs - 3 2017 Total Sacks = 37 13 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 23 DL - 11.5 DBs - 3 The biggest difference is in the contribution from the DL. I realize its just one data point, but it points to bringing in sack-capable help on the DL ( like Big Mo) as one way to address the pass rush. I think GB can also expect another bump up in performance from Kenny Clark, who notched 4.5 last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillparsi1 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: If you look back at the Packers Super Bowl team in 2010 - they had a decent pass rush ( and great DBs) Here's how the 2010 pass rush ( sack totals) compares vs the 2017 production grouped by position 2010 Total Sacks = 47 16 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 25 DL - 19 DBs - 3 2017 Total Sacks = 37 13 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 23 DL - 11.5 DBs - 3 The biggest difference is in the contribution from the DL. I realize its just one data point, but it points to bringing in sack-capable help on the DL ( like Big Mo) as one way to address the pass rush. I think GB can also expect another bump up in performance from Kenny Clark, who notched 4.5 last year We also has 27 INTs vs 11 this year. One of the things you notice with Alexander AND Jackson is they're ball hawks - wouldn't be surprised if there was an emphasis specifically on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, chillparsi1 said: We also has 27 INTs vs 11 this year. One of the things you notice with Alexander AND Jackson is they're ball hawks - wouldn't be surprised if there was an emphasis specifically on that. There was, McCarthy discussed that in a press conference. Said that that was what draw them to Alexander and Jackson. Plus you can just tell in the McCarthy era that that is a huge stat. Give more chances to Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 10:25 AM, deltarich87 said: Damn Tramon went there You've been spending too much time here, where it was never Capers' fault. The rest of the outside world knew better. Nothing wrong with telling the truth sometimes. Refreshing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeightTheVillain Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, cannondale said: You've been spending too much time here, where it was never Capers' fault. The rest of the outside world knew better. Nothing wrong with telling the truth sometimes. Refreshing Its not that simple though. And anyone who thinks that including Tramon is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Shanedorf said: If you look back at the Packers Super Bowl team in 2010 - they had a decent pass rush ( and great DBs) Here's how the 2010 pass rush ( sack totals) compares vs the 2017 production grouped by position 2010 Total Sacks = 47 16 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 25 DL - 19 DBs - 3 2017 Total Sacks = 37 13 different players recorded at least 1/2 sack LBs - 23 DL - 11.5 DBs - 3 The biggest difference is in the contribution from the DL. I realize its just one data point, but it points to bringing in sack-capable help on the DL ( like Big Mo) as one way to address the pass rush. I think GB can also expect another bump up in performance from Kenny Clark, who notched 4.5 last year Good data points. For overall context here are the league leaders in stats: 2010 - league leader: Pittsburgh with 48 sacks 2017 - league leader: Pittsburgh with 56 sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, cannondale said: You've been spending too much time here, where it was never Capers' fault. The rest of the outside world knew better. Nothing wrong with telling the truth sometimes. Refreshing Why do people insist this is true? Nobody here has said Capers was without blame. Not one person. I knew Capers was wrong for us since the end of the 2016 season, but at the same time I'm capable of understanding that it was not his fault. We had Randall with a bad groin, Hyde and Gunter for the majority of 2016. Randall, House and Hawkins for the majority of last year. Nobody's getting it done with that lack of talent in the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, HorizontoZenith said: Why do people insist this is true? Nobody here has said Capers was without blame. Not one person. I knew Capers was wrong for us since the end of the 2016 season, but at the same time I'm capable of understanding that it was not his fault. We had Randall with a bad groin, Hyde and Gunter for the majority of 2016. Randall, House and Hawkins for the majority of last year. Nobody's getting it done with that lack of talent in the secondary. Respectfully, (seriously) I'm not going to open that can of worms. Of course it's not ever one thing, but IMO Capers was the main thing and I'll leave it at that.The sad thing, and the reason I'll leave it at that is I've browsed here a long time before joining and seen dozens of good posters chased out of here for having that opinion, and that is embarrassing how that went down. They were right, but the mob wouldn't allow it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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