patriotsheatyan Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Who are they? Are they even real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Depends on your definition of "QB guru"? HC who developed a young QB from backup to quality status? Two or more? Are OCs and QB coaches eligible? What about private QB coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, cddolphin said: Depends on your definition of "QB guru"? HC who developed a young QB from backup to quality status? Two or more? Are OCs and QB coaches eligible? What about private QB coaches? Let’s keep this open ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Sean McVay has gotta be near the top of this list imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 As of recent, Shurmur is #1, and I don't think it's even close. He took 2 back-up QB's and got the most that you could get out of each of them and did it in 2 separate seasons. He is also now largely responsible for two 30 year old back-up QB's getting 18 and 20 million dollar contracts to be starters on two other teams. McVay, Hackett and Flip all deserve some credit for 1 year but developing first round QB's in their sophomore years is not as impressive. Now getting Blake Bortles to look like even an average QB deserves a standing ovation in itself but I'm also not convinced that it was anything but a 1 year fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: As of recent, Shurmur is #1, and I don't think it's even close. He took 2 back-up QB's and got the most that you could get out of each of them and did it in 2 separate seasons. He is also now largely responsible for two 30 year old back-up QB's getting 18 and 20 million dollar contracts to be starters on two other teams. McVay, Hackett and Flip all deserve some credit for 1 year but developing first round QB's in their sophomore years is not as impressive. Now getting Blake Bortles to look like even an average QB deserves a standing ovation in itself but I'm also not convinced that it was anything but a 1 year fluke. Flip also got a combination of Manziel/McCown/Austin Davis to pass for over 4000 yards and a 20 TD to 12 INT ratio in 2015 even though they are a terrible trio and their best receivers were Barnidge and Travis Benjamin. That deserves more of a standing ovation that Bortles having a good year IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 McDaniels is a scumbag IMO but his work with Brady, Jimmy G, Brissett has been considerable. I remember reading that Shanahan or Lynch did not care about seeing Jimmy up close much because they saw some film of him and knew he had been working directly with Josh for a few years, so they knew he was ready. That shows some serious respect for his work if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Flip also got a combination of Manziel/McCown/Austin Davis to pass for over 4000 yards and a 20 TD to 12 INT ratio in 2015 even though they are a terrible trio and their best receivers were Barnidge and Travis Benjamin. That deserves more of a standing ovation that Bortles having a good year IMO. Meh, that's not too hard to do when your playing in garbage time. Greg Olsen can attest to that. He got 4500 yards and 35-18 ratio out of Bortles in '15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Meh, that's not too hard to do when your playing in garbage time. Greg Olsen can attest to that. He got 4500 yards and 35-18 ratio out of Bortles in '15. I disagree completely. The Bears have been constantly in garbage time and we barely did that with Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and Forte. I think we have had 1 year since 2000 where we passed for more yards than that trio of QBs. One. And that was the first year with Trestman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sugashane said: I disagree completely. The Bears have been constantly in garbage time and we barely did that with Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and Forte. I think we have had 1 year since 2000 where we passed for more yards than that trio of QBs. One. And that was the first year with Trestman. We also have never registered a -154 PD in a single season like the Browns did that year either. Our lowest PD since 2000 was Trestman's second season (-123, our 7th lowest in history) and our QB's still posted more yards and TD's (3,792/30) than the 2015 Browns did (3,782/20). Also, keep in mind with that -154 PD, the Browns also passed the ball 464 times when trailing vs our total average 297 pass attempts when trailing in every year since 2007(when the passing league really started to take off) and an overall average of 287 combined since 2000. That's makes a pretty significant difference, don't you think? Nevertheless, to each his own. We can agree to disagree and that's fine. Like I said, I respect Flip as an OC for what he did this past season but Shurmur as of late has been on fire in terms of developing QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Hmmmm Steve Clarkson and Tom House probably. Clarkson in particular knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 15 hours ago, cddolphin said: What about private QB coaches? Jordan Palmer seems to be a QB whisperer - I think his work with incoming rookies is going to land him a gig one day as a QB coach with an OC/HC track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Someone said Mcdaniels earlier. He's helped to make Brady into the best ever. Jimmy G looks good as well. Brissett's solid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Jesus Christ. Then Scott Pederson for everyone obviously forgetting he made a backup into a SB MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Josh McDaniels Adam Gase Doug Pederson Pat Shurmur Matt LaFleur Bill O'Brien Sean Payton John DeFilippo Jim Bob Cooter Matt Nagy Andy Reid Greg Olson Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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