EaglesPeteC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah let's get back to talking about the trade. We have a starting CB fellas. I doubt Howie is done either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I would put J Matt's value at a 4th round pick, so a 3rd and a 4th for a guy who was taken in the 2nd and showed a ton of promise as a rookie is a solid deal to me. Obviously if Darby just plays like he did last year, then it's not so good of a trade, but I'm assuming and hoping he will bounce back to his rookie form, and hopefully continue to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesFan5-36-81 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Corner is much more of a premium position than WR. Darby had a stellar rookie season and while he wasn't the #1, he was a Rex Ryan guy and we all know Rex likes to blitz and puts his corners on an island so the scheme put a lot on his plate. He's a super talented young cover corner who we got for a slot receiver. The third hurts a little but again the premium on the position tilted the value. Darby had a great rookie season. He was derailed last season due to injures but still played better than our corners last season. He won't have nearly the responsibility he had in Rex Ryan's scheme since Schwartz relies on pressure from his front 4 where Ryan blitzes and leaves his corners one on one sometimes with little to no safety help. Also Gilmore missed 4 games in Darby's rookie year, essentially forcing Darby to be the #1. Jordan is above average sure, but is he better than Edelman, Landry, Baldwin, Diggs, and Hurns? He's a solid player but how much of his production was him being the shortest midget in a room so to speak? Our receivers were garbage, and most of his production was in garbage time and he drops the football a lot. Darby is a very good corner, for all the people talking about "getting players from Buffalo" he's younger and better than McKelvin, Ron Brooks was brought in as a nickel and special teamer and got hurt, oh and Bradham has played very well, oh and there's that guy whose been a mainstay at left tackle whose literally been an anomaly to come back from destroying his Achilles tendon and beats Father Time due to being a freak athlete at 340 pounds. Everyone thought that trade was awful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesFan5-36-81 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Eliot Shorr-Parks is against the trade, meaning it was probably the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The funny thing, again, is that Jordan Matthews could come back to the Eagles after his contract expires. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's technically possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phire Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Quote Philadelphia was looking downright bereft at cornerback for the second consecutive season, having cycled again through middling veterans while using second- and third-round picks on Sidney Jones and Rasul Douglas, the former of whom is likely to miss a chunk of the 2017 season after rupturing his Achilles at his pro day. While the Eagles had long-term hope at the position, this is a team that should be capable of competing as early as this season. Cornerback was their biggest weakness. Now they have a promising option in both the short term and long term in Darby, who was stunningly effective during his debut season in Buffalo before slipping badly last season. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has done excellent work with undersized corners in years past, notably launching Cortland Finnegan's career in Tennessee. It's too early to suggest Darby's a reclamation project, but dealing a wide receiver the Eagles were unlikely to sign for a likely starter at cornerback is a totally logical move, even if it did hurt to give up a third-round pick in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 PFF 2015: Quote Darby wasn’t the most heralded cornerback from this draft class heading into the season, and with another rookie leading the league in interceptions and pass breakups, it’s fair to say that he isn’t really getting the credit he deserves at the end of the year. In all honesty, we didn’t see a better performance by a rookie all year, though. Darby stepped right in and started from day one, instantly becoming Buffalo’s best cover corner. He allowed just four touchdowns all season, all of which came in a two-game span against the Kansas City Chiefs and Houston Texans. Darby allowed just 660 receiving yards throughout the year, he was tied for fifth amongst cornerbacks with 13 pass breakups, and finished the year with the ninth-highest coverage grade for corners. There is still plenty of room for Darby to grow, with just two interceptions over the course of the year, and a reception of 20 yards or more allowed in six games in 2015. Nevertheless, it was an impressive rookie campaign that has Bills fans eager for the future, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 A Buffalo writer: Quote Darby had a monster rookie season, but he definitely hit something of a lull last year. His ball skills aren't great, but he's generally a solid cover corner who isn't going to give up a ton of receptions. He's under contract for two more years ... he was a second-round pick, so no fifth-year option decision to worry about. He's definitely starter material, but it's hard to say whether he can return to the shutdown potential he showed in his rookie year. Cmon Schwartz and Undlin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheRealMcCoy Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, EaglesFan5-36-81 said: Eliot Shorr-Parks is against the trade, meaning it was probably the right move. ESP has a hard on for Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 From ESP's article: Quote The logic behind the trade makes sense. Moving a player you weren't going to re-sign for a young cornerback -- which is a huge position of need -- is a smart move. Quote The fact the Eagles also gave up a third-round as well only adds to what is a puzzling decision by Roseman. Wait, wut? Also the third rounder makes total sense. It's simply security. They're trading for a player in a contract year. There is absolutely ZERO guarantee Jordan Matthews is a Buffalo Bill next year. You can't do a 1 for 1 trade because the Eagles could sign Jordan again next year and the Bills would have nothing. I'd be dumb for the Bills to trade for someone in a contract year without extra security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Phire said: The funny thing, again, is that Jordan Matthews could come back to the Eagles after his contract expires. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's technically possible. gross bro don't put that evil in print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Who are these magic 2018 3rd round picks you'd rather have than a legit starting CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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