MacReady Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, Leader said: Thats why I was a defensive player.............because......errrrrrr......I was more talented. Defense is absolutely more talented than offense. Especially cornerbacks. Maybe not with catching, but think about what a cornerback has to do opposed to what a receiver has to do. A receiver knows exactly what route they're running. All they have to do is run it. A cornerback has to anticipate the route and keep up with a world-class athlete who knows exactly where they're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: It's very silly if you're talking about Burns, who has tremendous production rushing the passer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfTheNorth Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: No Not at all I am referring here to one and only one specific sure fire bust. Your arrogance is bordering on Aaron Rodgers level if you think you can 100% declare someone is a bust before they even play a game in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Also from PFF.... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-brian-burns-is-so-much-more-than-an-explosive-athletic-freak-hes-a-technician-committed-to-improving Such pass-rush prowess didn’t come without results. Burns ranked fifth among the 104 FBS edge defenders with 300-plus pass-rush snaps in pass-rush grade (90.4) this past season, recording 51 hurries, 10 hits and eight sacks in the process. His 19.7% pass-rush win percentage also ranked fifth on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, JaireAlex said: Except we put out the worst offense in AR's tenure. Cobb was done. 3 rooks and a UDFA receiver. Bulaga on his last legs. Graham and Lewis at the end of their careers Obviously, we do not see the offense in the same light. It's a joke going nowhere except that AR is under center. Edelman is at the end of his career. Gronkowski just retired. And then they have retreads and who's other than Sony, a rookie, and White a specialist. Rodgers had opportunities to produce he just opted to play his brand of ball more often than he probably should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, HighCalebR said: It's very silly if you're talking about Burns, who has tremendous production rushing the passer... Burns was a mediocre player that stood around when he wasn't flying around the edge. He'll be a bust just like Floyd, Mingo, Barr and the rest. But noooooooo. We can't waste a 30 on a wide receiver. Because we only bought two edge rushers this off-season and we need to use our 12 on flash-around-the-edge so he can get steamrolled in the running game and eaten by OL. Look at the combined career sacks numbers of Floyd, Barr, and Mingo. Compare that to Fackrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfTheNorth Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Leader said: Yes.....but we've reached a new period in player/coach relationships. When we're talking the STARS..... We're talking multi-millionaires. We're talking players an organization has a huge financial commitment to. We're talking players a coach cant just sit because he's being an idiot w/o kicking up some serious dust. We're talking something of a shift in the power dynamic. I understand that , and I am not saying it's easy. And to even further along the point, it's the General Managers job to make sure his Head Coach is doing his job and giving him the resources he needs to do it well. Which means backing him up if he needs to discipline a player for insubordination. If TT and even Murphy didn't give MM that backing, then they failed MM as much as MM failed Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, KingOfTheNorth said: Your arrogance is bordering on Aaron Rodgers level, if you think you can 100% declare someone is a bust before they even play a game in the NFL. Metcalf is 100% bust. Burns I only put at 80%. I am 100% sure he's not a Packer Edge. They don't draft guys like this. Sweat maybe, Burns no. But this is an opinion board merely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, JaireAlex said: Metcalf is 100% bust. Burns I only put at 80%. I am 100% sure he's not a Packer Edge. They don't draft guys like this. Sweat maybe, Burns no. But this is an opinion board merely. wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, KingOfTheNorth said: I understand that , and I am not saying it's easy. And to even further along the point, it's the General Managers job to make sure his Head Coach is doing his job and giving him the resources he needs to do it well. Which means backing him up if he needs to discipline a player for insubordination. If TT and even Murphy didn't give MM that backing, then they failed MM as much as MM failed Rodgers. I agree....as stated somewhere earlier......if there were issues between AR and TT - or any player/coach on the team - it was TT's responsibility (first) to address it - a responsibility Gute seems more willing to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: How about JJ Arcega-Whiteside after that 4.49 at his pro day? Haven't heard as much talk about him around here as other guys. Someone comped him to Marques Colston. I could get behind that. The guy has good routes and knows how to catch the ball in front of DBs. Some of his catches make him look like Finley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, JaireAlex said: Burns was a mediocre player that stood around when he wasn't flying around the edge. He'll be a bust just like Floyd, Mingo, Barr and the rest. But noooooooo. We can't waste a 30 on a wide receiver. Because we only bought two edge rushers this off-season and we need to use our 12 on flash-around-the-edge so he can get steamrolled in the running game and eaten by OL. Look at the combined career sacks numbers of Floyd, Barr, and Mingo. Compare that to Fackrell. I dont think many, if any, are arguing against a wr at 30. Just not 12, especially with this class of guys. You probably should watch more Burns, bud. Dropping into coverage he looks fluid and and reads the QB pretty well. He has a mean long arm setting an edge, not the best at shedding that block but he generally forces his man to make the cut up inside instead of hitting the outside. Football (especially projecting players) is more than just stat lines. Barr just got paid 13.5 mil a year and it was rumored he had more on the table. If you want an example this ain't it chief.. The Bears just picked up Floyd's 5th year option so I doubt they're too upset with him. Bro, let the draft come to you, you dont have to declare people great and busts before they're even taken. You're going to be wrong, and probably often, that's just the nature of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Edelman is at the end of his career. Gronkowski just retired. And then they have retreads and who's other than Sony, a rookie, and White a specialist. Rodgers had opportunities to produce he just opted to play his brand of ball more often than he probably should have. Please Tell me which Packer team of the last 12 years had a worse offense than 2018? We added Cobb in 2011 despite having Finley, Jones, Jennings, and Jordy as targets. Look how many offensive players we added in 2006-2011 yearly. Compare that to 2012-2018. So tell me which year had a worse offense than 2018. We didn't grab 3 very expensive FAs on defense so we can neglect the offense in the draft again. This was once an intelligent forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilprin Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I have not been on the Burns bandwagon at all...However, with the additions of the Smiths, Burns could be an excellent complement...and in time a very good player. He has all the Freak skills to succeed. I prefer other players, but now am ok with him as a complement. And as others have stated...no one is ever a guaranteed Bust...there are people who have higher bust possibilities, but no one knows who will fulfill potential or who will crap on it. I prefer Oliver, White, and maybe even Bush over Burns. Simply due to need and immediate impact. All four are freaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, JaireAlex said: Please Tell me which Packer team of the last 12 years had a worse offense than 2018? We added Cobb in 2011 despite having Finley, Jones, Jennings, and Jordy as targets. Look how many offensive players we added in 2006-2011 yearly. Compare that to 2012-2018. So tell me which year had a worse offense than 2018. We didn't grab 3 very expensive FAs on defense so we can neglect the offense in the draft again. This was once an intelligent forum. Worse than great doesnt mean terrible or untalented.. no one is saying neglect the O dude. But I sure as **** dont want to spend "70% of draft capital" on offense. Well that may be, but you're sure not helping it return to its former glory.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.