N4L Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, MWil23 said: Wow. Take away Josh Allen's cannon arm, and you're left with a tall, average/slightly above average athlete, who has major accuracy concerns. This could be worst case scenario in Buffalo. I hope that he's ok. You're a baseball guy... TJS surgery shouldn't have any long term implications on his overall arm strength if they give it proper amount of time to heal People get that surgery nowa days when they don't even tear their UCL because it has been known to add velocity to your pitches.. If he has to sit out next season, then he has to sit out. Everyone said he needed to sit and learn for a bit... might not be the worst thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, N4L said: You're a baseball guy... TJS surgery shouldn't have any long term implications on his overall arm strength if they give it proper amount of time to heal People get that surgery nowa days when they don't even tear their UCL because it has been known to add velocity to your pitches.. If he has to sit out next season, then he has to sit out. Everyone said he needed to sit and learn for a bit... might not be the worst thing. http://www.uhhospitals.org/myuhcare/health-and-wellness/better-living-health-articles/2015/july/can-tommy-john-surgery-make-you-pitch-faster This is an urban legend, it doesn't happen. TJS does not add velocity, the corrections made during rehab in regards to form and pitching mechanics, and the fact that a UCL doesn't just tear but is an accumulation of years of damage and strain may end with that as a net result, but the surgery itself is paired with a decline in velocity and a more rapid aging curve on most people who undergo the procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, N4L said: You're a baseball guy... TJS surgery shouldn't have any long term implications on his overall arm strength if they give it proper amount of time to heal People get that surgery nowa days when they don't even tear their UCL because it has been known to add velocity to your pitches.. If he has to sit out next season, then he has to sit out. Everyone said he needed to sit and learn for a bit... might not be the worst thing. Read my above post for velocity comments and myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Trentwannabe said: Josh Allen holds the ball the longest in the league. The issues at WR are real. The OL issues are just hyperbole from fans usually. He has been getting plenty of time but he doesn't trust his eyes or his feet. I think the holding the ball comes from receivers not getting separation. Sure some of it is his fault, but he’s a rookie I’m not gonna just pin all of that on him, I’m sure if he had ample time and more that high school level receivers he’d be able to trust himself a little more. Obviously he’s not perfect, but he’s in a dreadful situation, which falls completely on the shoulders of BB and McDermott. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, trading McCarron was asanine. How did they have confidence in A) Peterman being a reliable stop gap, and B.) the offensive line and receivers being sufficient enough to help Josh grow if Peterman went full Peterman. McCarron should’ve been kept around to be thrown to the wolves instead of Josh. I love Sean. How he gets his team to fight and scrap every week even with the complete lack of talent, but man some of the stuff is just completely unnacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Oof. Allen better get healthy. And soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2nd for Carr Bills fans? That D is elite, Josh Allen may never be the same (and everyone outside of Bills fans thinks hes gonna be a bust), and you’re 2-3 in a wide open AFC Wildcard. C’monnnn you know you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: 2nd for Carr Bills fans? That D is elite, Josh Allen may never be the same (and everyone outside of Bills fans thinks hes gonna be a bust), and you’re 2-3 in a wide open AFC Wildcard. C’monnnn you know you want to. Derek Carr sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: Derek Carr sucks. I got nothing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 We have Derek Anderson who, while certainly not anything exceptional, is a long term backup in this league who won't LOSE us the game like Peterman did, at least if he isn't just compeltely physically shot. And if he is screw it, throw Logan Thomas out there what's the worst that could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensDefense3 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 buffalos D is nowhere close to elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, RavensDefense3 said: buffalos D is nowhere close to elite Yeah, they are. This isn't smoke and mirrors with crap personnel relying on turnovers to bail them out like last year. Tre White has been playing like the best corner in the league since his slow start and the linebacking unit has been absolutely dominant, Edmunds looks like a stud and Matt Milano is a legit 3-down linebacker. Pass rush they need a legit #1 but they get it done with numbers. They'll finish top-5 in the league unless the offense continues to be so putrid they can't even score a point (since McD took over playcalling in the second half of the Chargers game we've allowed 53 total points and scored 53 total points offensively). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: We have Derek Anderson who, while certainly not anything exceptional, is a long term backup in this league who won't LOSE us the game like Peterman did, at least if he isn't just compeltely physically shot. And if he is screw it, throw Logan Thomas out there what's the worst that could happen. Honestly i'd go straight to DA and see if he can recapture that 2007 magic along with that defense they have. Bills are 2-4, and with a little run could still find themselves in the wild card. Everyone know that isn't happening with Peterman. At least with DA there's a 2% chance of that unknown magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEvans Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 14 hours ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: I think the holding the ball comes from receivers not getting separation. Sure some of it is his fault, but he’s a rookie I’m not gonna just pin all of that on him, I’m sure if he had ample time and more that high school level receivers he’d be able to trust himself a little more. Obviously he’s not perfect, but he’s in a dreadful situation, which falls completely on the shoulders of BB and McDermott. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, trading McCarron was asanine. How did they have confidence in A) Peterman being a reliable stop gap, and B.) the offensive line and receivers being sufficient enough to help Josh grow if Peterman went full Peterman. McCarron should’ve been kept around to be thrown to the wolves instead of Josh. I love Sean. How he gets his team to fight and scrap every week even with the complete lack of talent, but man some of the stuff is just completely unnacceptable. Yeah I'm with you. It's hard to get a real good read on Allen so far because of the **** show on offense. The lack of separation is a legit complaint though and I think a large part of the passing games struggles. You could probably create a three hour compilation of plays this season where everyone is completely covered for the entirety of the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 9 hours ago, RavensDefense3 said: buffalos D is nowhere close to elite Not elite but definitey a Top 10 Defense that can play at an elite level on a random week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: We have Derek Anderson who, while certainly not anything exceptional, is a long term backup in this league who won't LOSE us the game like Peterman did, at least if he isn't just compeltely physically shot. Unfortunately he is. DA always seemed like a good dude and he was a reliable back-up for awhile, but he looked washed his last 2 years here. Cost us the Bucs game in 2016. On the plus side, he’s definitely no worse than Peterman so still not a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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