TLO Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I don't think people hate Bumgarner the way they do Schilling, so if that's a comp production wise by the end of his career, I could see him getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 3 hours ago, thelawoffices said: I don't think people hate Bumgarner the way they do Schilling, so if that's a comp production wise by the end of his career, I could see him getting in. Right he is a media darling for whatever reason. I'll also always be smug AF that I was right about Bumgarner vs. Brian Matusz and B7B/Manster were wrong as always. http://www3.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=333083&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 The other huge factor is Schillling, Musina, etc. played with four of the top-10 GOAT. Its hard to ever be considered the best pitcher in baseball or close when your entire career overlaps with Clemens, Unit, Pedro, and Madux. Bumgarner is playing in an era with one all time great and then a bunch of really good pitchers and its easy for the sports media to paint him as #2... or even 1b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, mission27 said: Right he is a media darling for whatever reason. I'll also always be smug AF that I was right about Bumgarner vs. Brian Matusz and B7B/Manster were wrong as always. http://www3.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=333083&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Holy god...the weirdness at seeing Jesus Montero over Posey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, Forge said: Holy god...the weirdness at seeing Jesus Montero over Posey lol I truly thought Jesus was Miggy 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 1/2ers Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 MadBum is the best postseason pitcher ever and he just turned 28 years old. I think he's only behind Kershaw as far as current pitchers go for HOF chances. His bat adds a bit to his legend too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, 48 1/2ers said: MadBum is the best postseason pitcher ever and he just turned 28 years old. I think he's only behind Kershaw as far as current pitchers go for HOF chances. His bat adds a bit to his legend too. I'd put Felix and Verlander ahead of MadBum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, NewAge said: I'd put Felix and Verlander ahead of MadBum. C.C. too for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker8267 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Only because of where the cut off is. If you fast forward, Bumgarner will have the better HOF case at age 33/34 over Felix and Verlander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Rhys Hoskins for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 1/2ers Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Baseball has the worst east coast bias of the major sports. MadBum is an all timer already. CC and Verlander are locks too though. Goldschmidt if he wins MVP this year could be in that group with Votto and Cano. I think Ryan Braun if he finished with 400+ HRs could have a shot if they start letting in PED users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 15 hours ago, 48 1/2ers said: Baseball has the worst east coast bias of the major sports. MadBum is an all timer already Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/26/2017 at 8:07 PM, 48 1/2ers said: MadBum is the best postseason pitcher ever and he just turned 28 years old. I think he's only behind Kershaw as far as current pitchers go for HOF chances. His bat adds a bit to his legend too. That's stretching it. He has a case...but so does Mariano, Schilling, Koufax. He can be in the conversation, but there's not way to say that it's definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 3:24 PM, mse326 said: Based on what? Yeah, I don't get that. I think he has a shot at the hall if he pitches the way he has been for about the next 7-8 years, but that's still a long time to go, but certainly not an all timer yet. Right now you could make a case that Brandon Webb has about the same right to the Hall of fame as Bumgarner. He basically had one fewer season under his belt, but a better WAR (33 to 28, which is pretty significant given that Madbum has made 30 more starts), Webb has one cy, 2 second place finishes, a much higher era+ (142 to 124). He doesn't have MadBum's post season track record, but he only got two starts - one was good, one was meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 1/2ers Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 3:24 PM, mse326 said: Based on what? On the topic of east coast bias I think its based on the fact that most west coast games start when a majority of the east coast population are sleeping. Theres a range of other factors too that I could get into but I dont want to derail this thread or have a long debate. As for Bumgarner I guess I think playoff performances carry a lot more weight than regular season and maybe thats where I'm wrong. His regular season numbers don't get him in the HOF obviously but to me the HOF isnt just about having the best numbers, it's the legendary moments that I remember as a fan that adds that something extra. 21 years old pitching an 8 inning shutout in the World Series, doing it again at 2012, then in 2014 he had probably the best postseason pitching performance ever (I dont have the numbers in front of me). I've never experienced seeing someone so dominant in a playoff setting in baseball. Rivera I was a little younger and Schilling didn't really become the postseason monster until his mid 30's. But I'm sure for those fan bases there is the similar feeling. 3 world series takes another level of player to achieve and the Bum carried the giants more than anyone in those 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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