rocky_rams Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Calvert28 said: Neither was Brady. Don’t go there. Brady was drafted late because of his lack of size and lack of mobility as he had a 40 time higher than 5 seconds. Dak had the size and athleticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, rocky_rams said: Don’t go there. Brady was drafted late because of his lack of size and lack of mobility as he had a 40 time higher than 5 seconds. Dak had the size and athleticism A guy who was 6-4 210 had lack of size? Don't go there with the mobility nonsense considering the last two years of top QB's being selected such as Leaf, Manning, Couch etc. Even if your claim was right your previous argument was dead wrong and @Matts4313 was right. A coach can make all the difference with turning around QB's or masking their flaws to put their teams in the best situations to win. Theres a reason why guys like Trent Dilfer are always brought up in discussions like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Pay Zeke, Jaylon and Law. Let Dak walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 5:06 PM, Nabbs4u said: Might want to add Zeke to that poll too. I'd say Cooper but he'll be 5th yr optioned most likely. Yea I agree there too. I think you have to pay Lawrence. You can do better than Dak easier than you can do better than D-Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: A guy who was 6-4 210 had lack of size? Don't go there with the mobility nonsense considering the last two years of top QB's being selected such as Leaf, Manning, Couch etc. Even if your claim was right your previous argument was dead wrong and @Matts4313 was right. A coach can make all the difference with turning around QB's or masking their flaws to put their teams in the best situations to win. Theres a reason why guys like Trent Dilfer are always brought up in discussions like these. Brady was listed as 6-5 195 pounds. That’s frail for a QB that tall. He had no muscle definition and ran a 5.27. His stock was low because of being frail, slow, and weak In those years, they were afraid he wouldn’t last long because of the hits where QBs weren’t that protected Manning was 6-5 220 and ran a 4.8. Dak was 6-2 225 and ran a 4.79. So Nobody said a good coach can’t mask a QBs flaws. Of course a good offensive mind can cover a QBs flaws. But QBs like Wentz, Goff, Luck don’t have much flaws as someone like Dak does I said that on a pure talent level, Dak is not on par with Goff or Wentz. Dak has mental and accuracy issues. Which in my opinion, are so deeply entrenched in him from probably high school that they might be unfixable at this point. I don’t understand the purpose of your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Brady was listed as 6-5 195 pounds. That’s frail for a QB that tall. He had no muscle definition and ran a 5.27. His stock was low because of being frail, slow, and weak In those years, they were afraid he wouldn’t last long because of the hits where QBs weren’t that protected Manning was 6-5 220 and ran a 4.8. Dak was 6-2 225 and ran a 4.79. So Nobody said a good coach can’t mask a QBs flaws. Of course a good offensive mind can cover a QBs flaws. But QBs like Wentz, Goff, Luck don’t have much flaws as someone like Dak does I said that on a pure talent level, Dak is not on par with Goff or Wentz. Dak has mental and accuracy issues. Which in my opinion, are so deeply entrenched in him from probably high school that they might be unfixable at this point. I don’t understand the purpose of your argument. From the combine 211 pounds. Not making this sh!t up. And he did not fall 6 rounds because they thought he was frail. They thought he was an Average Joe with no standout qualities and was a system QB. That's why. That was the implication of your post or how it came across that because Goff and Wentz were selected in the first round that they were capable of being reformed by a good coach and not Dak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 hours ago, rocky_rams said: But it’s not really subjective. Most people agree unanimously which is why Dak was not graded a round one talent. He had the size and athleticism. If he had the arm talent, he would’ve been in the first round. He simply can’t make throws that Goff and Wentz can Look at Paxton Lynch. He had the raw talent but didn’t have the mental aspect of it and he was graded by almost everyone as a first rounder. Here's the thing though, the analysis on Dak and Lynch were wrong. Just because the drafting community says X thing doesn't mean it's accurate. Football IQ and arm strength are subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Calvert28 said: From the combine 211 pounds. Not making this sh!t up. And he did not fall 6 rounds because they thought he was frail. They thought he was an Average Joe with no standout qualities and was a system QB. That's why. That was the implication of your post or how it came across that because Goff and Wentz were selected in the first round that they were capable of being reformed by a good coach and not Dak. Dak can for sure get reformed by an offensive guru. His ceiling is Kirk Cousins and his floor is, well...Dak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, rocky_rams said: Dak can for sure get reformed by an offensive guru. His ceiling is Kirk Cousins and his floor is, well...Dak Kirk Cousins? What? Right now he is a thicker slower Alex Smith. They play virtually the same. For those of you older, they are wanna be Steve Youngs. For this generation, they are wanna be Tom Bradys who can run. He needs to improve on his pocket presences and strive to get to the level of understanding that the greats do. Ya know, being able to diagnose everything thats going to happen before it does. If he gets to that level, who knows what his ceiling is. An efficient QB, who doesnt turn the ball over and has scrambling ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Kirk Cousins? What? Right now he is a thicker slower Alex Smith. They play virtually the same. For those of you older, they are wanna be Steve Youngs. For this generation, they are wanna be Tom Bradys who can run. He needs to improve on his pocket presences and strive to get to the level of understanding that the greats do. Ya know, being able to diagnose everything thats going to happen before it does. If he gets to that level, who knows what his ceiling is. An efficient QB, who doesnt turn the ball over and has scrambling ability. Alex Smith was my first thought but since it’s his ceiling I was talking about, I can see him reach a Kirk Cousins level. He’ll never be top 5 but you can see him being anywhere from 10-15. Again I’m mentioning his ceiling. Not currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Alex Smith was my first thought but since it’s his ceiling I was talking about, I can see him reach a Kirk Cousins level. He’ll never be top 5 but you can see him being anywhere from 10-15. Again I’m mentioning his ceiling. Not currently I think he is around ~15 right now. Not season long, but just the last 5-7 games. At his best, he will be hover in that ~10 range. His first 25 games in the league, he was consistently ranked in the 8-12 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just wanted this to be seen and thought this would be a good thread to show it. This isnt to knock Lawrence, but DE's are a lot easier to find than QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 It should be dak ...not so the browns can throw a huge wad of money at Lawrence or anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Lawrence. Prescott's good but still leaves you wanting a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 One guy is an asset and the other isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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