MKnight82 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Danger said: Your missing Matts' argument, as well as Zeke's (If he in fact is truly innocent). Being that: If he's innocent, he wants to clear his name. If he had just taken the suspension right away it would be over with and no one would even be talking about it anymore. Instead by fighting it he's made it into an even bigger story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: If he had just taken the suspension right away it would be over with and no one would even be talking about it anymore. Instead by fighting it he's made it into an even bigger story. It's not really about football, it's about him as a citizen of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, jonu62882 said: Okay, well agree to disagree on that strategy. I know it's hard to admit defeat. If stringing your hope on a wildcard spot, that's a much harder battle with having to play on the road all the time plus an extra game than locking up a top spot, getting a bye, and having HFA throughout. We all know odds of winning it all are better with the latter than the former. Not sure why you'd choose the former, when you're eyeing 2018 as "your year to make a push" and rather would have Zeke on suspension then. The Cowboys are more or less built to win cold weather road games in December/January, so long as they're healthy. Playing postseason home games at Jerryworld is just asking to get lit up Rodgers or Wilson. Not saying it's easier to make the Super Bowl as a 6-seed than a 1-seed. Just that Dallas has no discernible HFA in the last 7 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Danger said: Your missing Matts' argument, as well as Zeke's (If he in fact is truly innocent). Being that: If he's innocent, he wants to clear his name. Except, that's not the actual argument. What's being litigated is arbitration and contract law. Winning this case doesn't clear his name, and losing it doesn't mean he did anything either. If the NFLPA wins this case the courts aren't gonna say "Zeke didn't do it." That's not what they're battling in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Like Christ, I don't like the Cowboys or Zeke any more than you guys, but some of you just don't get it. We'll likely never know the true truth only Zeke and the woman will. But until the legal ruling has come down, we can't as a fanbase call this either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Danger said: Like Christ, I don't like the Cowboys or Zeke any more than you guys, but some of you just don't get it. We'll likely never know the true truth only Zeke and the woman will. But until the legal ruling has come down, we can't as a fanbase call this either way. I'm saying even with the legal ruling it's not going to solve whether he did it or not. The legal ruling will only decide the extent of the courts' review of arbitration proceedings under the CBA. Just like the Brady case, it wasn't about whether he actually deflated footballs or not. We still don't know if he did or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Phire said: Except, that's not the actual argument. What's being litigated is arbitration and contract law. Winning this case doesn't clear his name, and losing it doesn't mean he did anything either. If the NFLPA wins this case the courts aren't gonna say "Zeke didn't do it." That's not what they're battling in court. It's the court of public opinion. Sure not EVERYONE is going to change their mind, but he won't be able to be officially labled a domestic violence offender if he gets out of this. There's less validity to the "tarnish" on his name if he gets this overturned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Danger said: It's not really about football, it's about him as a citizen of this country. What are you talking about? He isn't being prosecuted. He isn't going to jail. His privately owned employer is punishing its employee for acting like a knucklehead like any employer would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: What are you talking about? He isn't being prosecuted. He isn't going to jail. His privately owned employer is punishing its employee for acting like a knucklehead like any employer would. It still goes on his record. *Suspended for Domestic Violence That's absolutely a bad mark that you'd like removed, if you didn't do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 minute ago, jonu62882 said: Okay, well agree to disagree on that strategy. I know it's hard to admit defeat. If stringing your hope on a wildcard spot, that's a much harder battle with having to play on the road all the time plus an extra game than locking up a top spot, getting a bye, and having HFA throughout. We all know odds of winning it all are better with the latter than the former. Not sure why you'd choose the former, when you're eyeing 2018 as "your year to make a push" and rather would have Zeke on suspension then. Youre ruling out the fact that it could be split. Could be the last 3 games of this year, first 3 of next year. And sure, HFA is an advantage. Especially being the #1 seed. But IIRC something like 1/2 seeds have 50% of the superbowl wins, 3/4 have 25% and 5/6 have 25%. That may not be exactly accurate, but you get the point. Chip, a chair and a prayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Danger said: It's the court of public opinion. Sure not EVERYONE is going to change their mind, but he won't be able to be officially labled a domestic violence offender if he gets out of this. There's less validity to the "tarnish" on his name if he gets this overturned. IMO the same people who would label Zeke an abuser after the legal ruling are the same people who would have done so regardless. I really don't think losing this battle will have the kind of effect people are saying it will. Most people understand this is a labor dispute. Most people understand he was never found guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Danger said: It still goes on his record. *Suspended for Domestic Violence That's absolutely a bad mark that you'd like removed, if you didn't do it. He has ZERO chance of winning his appeal. He's an idiot for appealing for this long. Its hurting his team, and will really slam them if he's out during their late playoff push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Phire said: Most people understand this is a labor dispute. Most people understand he was never found guilty. I'd have to disagree with you on that. You underestimate the power of the masses of people who don't follow this sort of thing as closely as we do, and would just read he was suspended and therefore did it. Common sense isn't so common. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: He has ZERO chance of winning his appeal. He's an idiot for appealing for this long. Its hurting his team, and will really slam them if he's out during their late playoff push. Zero? I wouldn't say that. It's pretty unlikely. About as likely as the Cowboys making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 For example, Dannon dropped the Cam Newton endorsement after his remarks like a hot potato. What endorsement has Zeke lost? Who's protesting outside his house? Nobody. The people that matter understand he wasn't found guilty of anything. It's a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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