Kiltman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: EDIT: And you, of all people, shouldnt be ignoring that Wentz has the #2 OL group through 3 weeks, while Dak had the 5th worst. I think those tracking that are offbase that's all. They have been ok, but that grade is ridiculous having watched all the games For instance look at what Isaac did, or really didn't do, week 2. That's not dealing with a top 5 OL situation as a QB...it doesn't matter what PFF says. Our issues are Injuries, especially to key players. Lack of sacks Dropped balls/ Carless plays Runningbacks not hitting the hole Playcalling inconsistencies, it goes from terrific to terrible. Some of this is because large portions of our playbook (specifically utilizing Goedert and Deseean) have had to be ditched Wentz, aside from the first half of the Falcons game, has been the furthest from our problems and actually kept us in the games and brought us back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kiltman said: To further clarify @Matts4313 Injuries matter yellow - injured last year/surgery in the offseason or preseason red - Currently injured for all or one of the 3 games This is the team that is 3-0 if the wideouts do their job and catch spot on balls. They haven't been great, or even very good aside for Wentz and Jenkins all three games. Wentz has been pretty damn good this year despite this...Dak couldn't say the same the beginning of last year. And as a non-believer I'll wait to see what he does against a team that isn't the bottom of the league. Especially near the bottom of the defensive rankings like the Dolphins and Giants are. Again I'm not sure what you are arguing...we already knew that Wentz was good on his own and Dak needed help to be good. Wentz has never been good on his own. Still isnt. Wentz would look terrible if the DBs knew how to catch. Thats our argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Danger said: Matts just wants validation from all of us here. Plain and simple. Maybe.... You all have been very dismissive. 4 minutes ago, Kiltman said: I think those tracking that are offbase that's all. They have been ok, but that grade is ridiculous having watched all the games For instance look at what Isaac did, or really didn't do, week 2. That's not dealing with a top 5 OL situation as a QB...it doesn't matter what PFF says. Our issues are Injuries, especially to key players. Lack of sacks Dropped balls/ Carless plays Runningbacks not hitting the hole Playcalling inconsistencies, it goes from terrific to terrible. Some of this is because large portions of our playbook (specifically utilizing Goedert and Deseean) have had to be ditched Wentz, aside from the first half of the Falcons game, has been the furthest from our problems and actually kept us in the games and brought us back Wentz is a good QB. I have said many times he is at or near top 10. So I dont disagree. But he is once again proving that when he doesnt have the best supporting cast in the NFL, he isnt as good as Dak. And his teammates hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Wentz has never been good on his own. Still isnt. Wentz would look terrible if the DBs knew how to catch. Thats our argument. He has been, and has been this year. It's ok to be wrong Matts, I don't think you want to make a mountain out of a couple of dropped INTs with all the stuff Dak leaves on the field....but you do you. Besides thats probably impossible to truly disseminate with how limited the play calling has had to be for him over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Maybe.... You all have been very dismissive. Wentz is a good QB. I have said many times he is at or near top 10. So I dont disagree. But he is once again proving that when he doesnt have the best supporting cast in the NFL, he isnt as good as Dak. And his teammates hate him. Before Carson got shutdown last year, that was the one time their play was equal or even shaded Dak. So yeah...Carson with a not fully healed knee and broken back = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kiltman said: He has been, and has been this year. Nope 5 minutes ago, Kiltman said: It's ok to be wrong Matts I know, I am not holding it against you. 5 minutes ago, Kiltman said: , I don't think you want to make a mountain out of a couple of dropped INTs with all the stuff Dak leaves on the field Nothing? 5 minutes ago, Kiltman said: ....but you do you. Besides thats probably impossible to truly disseminate with how limited the play calling has had to be for him over the years. Yeah Scott Linehan sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Kiltman said: Before Carson got shutdown last year, that was the one time their play was equal or even shaded Dak. Second in 3 years. 1 minute ago, Kiltman said: So yeah...Carson with a not fully healed knee and broken back = But Dak is a beautiful prince so take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Matts4313 said: 2 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Before Carson got shutdown last year, that was the one time their play was equal or even shaded Dak. Second in 3 years. Eh Carson was better than Dak has ever been, or will be, the play he had one knee Dak extra sucked in 2017...Carson with an air cast would probably still been better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Eh Carson was better than Dak has ever been, or will be, the play he had one knee Dak extra sucked in 2017...Carson with an air cast would probably still been better You arent wrong. Wentz def is the #1 sucker when down on knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Wentz sucked for 1 half of football this year. Otherwise, he’s been really good. He’s like 7th or so in QBR. And he’s been surrounded by trash for 2 games. It’s easy to look great against trash teams with a healthy offensive complement. Dak’s in for some regression. We’ll see how far he falls when he’s not playing against the CFL. As an NFL fan for 30 years plus, you figure you wouldn’t have to tell someone this. It’s week 3. 3 weeks against awful opponents. The NFL is a tough league generally. No one stays on this pace, not even the greatest of greats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimonas Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Obligatory weekly I wish webby would allow the ignore feature to also ignore quotes so I don't have to see the drivel I specifically don't want to read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBreezy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jroc04 said: Wentz sucked for 1 half of football this year. Otherwise, he’s been really good. He’s like 7th or so in QBR. And he’s been surrounded by trash for 2 games. It’s easy to look great against trash teams with a healthy offensive complement. Dak’s in for some regression. We’ll see how far he falls when he’s not playing against the CFL. As an NFL fan for 30 years plus, you figure you wouldn’t have to tell someone this. It’s week 3. 3 weeks against awful opponents. The NFL is a tough league generally. No one stays on this pace, not even the greatest of greats. But dude, Dak had a 10 game stretch where he was the top rated QB in the NFL! Plus he’s been to the Pro Bowl a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Dak sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 let’s see what dem boys got 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Jroc04 said: Wentz sucked for 1 half of football this year. Otherwise, he’s been really good. He’s like 7th or so in QBR. And he’s been surrounded by trash for 2 games. It’s easy to look great against trash teams with a healthy offensive complement. Dak’s in for some regression. We’ll see how far he falls when he’s not playing against the CFL. As an NFL fan for 30 years plus, you figure you wouldn’t have to tell someone this. It’s week 3. 3 weeks against awful opponents. The NFL is a tough league generally. No one stays on this pace, not even the greatest of greats. Ignore list. Nobody is trying to hear reasonable takes. Hot takes only. 12 hours ago, RBreezy said: But dude, Dak had a 10 game stretch where he was the top rated QB in the NFL! Plus he’s been to the Pro Bowl a few times You as well. 6 hours ago, ITS_RAMMY_PLAYBOI said: let’s see what dem boys got I think you are not going to have any more excuses 2 weeks from now. But lets see, shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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