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[RBreezy]

Wentz > Dak - every GM in the league 

[Daimonas]

1 hour ago, Matts4313 said:

Your sig came after a summation of stats. Every single one of those came from a stat their rookie year. 

Do you even remember where you pulled it from?

"Dak makes better and more accurate throws. => he had a higher Comp %

He is more likely to keep the chains moving. => he had more 1st downs

He is better at reading the defense. => better QBR and Passer Rating

He is also as good, if not a better, scrambler. => rushing yard was similar

He has better pocket presence. He is less likely to take a sack. => He took less sacks

He is less likely to throw an INT. => Self explanatory. 

He is smarter in all aspects of the game."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There was like 1 opinion in that entire quote.

sig confirmed still relevant after this.

[Jroc04]

Wentz is a better QB than Dak. 

Why are we still running around this same gauntlet? Health may be the ultimate factor in determining who is the more useful QB but when healthy Wentz is on another level. It’s a big “if” but true nonetheless. 

[Nabbs4u]

4 minutes ago, Jroc04 said:

Wentz is a better QB than Dak. 

Why are we still running around this same gauntlet? Health may be the ultimate factor in determining who is the more useful QB but when healthy Wentz is on another level. It’s a big “if” but true nonetheless. 

Because you keep allowing certain posters to

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[Matts4313]

13 minutes ago, Daimonas said:

sig confirmed still relevant after this.

Id love to hear your reasoning.

8 minutes ago, Jroc04 said:

Wentz is a better QB than Dak. 

Why are we still running around this same gauntlet? Health may be the ultimate factor in determining who is the more useful QB but when healthy Wentz is on another level. It’s a big “if” but true nonetheless. 

Not statistically he isnt. 

[Daimonas]

3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Id love to hear your reasoning.

Not statistically he isnt. 

I'd rather not get banned.

[Matts4313]

4 minutes ago, Daimonas said:

I'd rather not get banned.

Then PM me. But again, the comments were based on statistical facts after their rookie season. So, I dont really get how I was wrong (at the time).

[RBreezy]

9 hours ago, Jroc04 said:

Wentz is a better QB than Dak. 

Why are we still running around this same gauntlet? Health may be the ultimate factor in determining who is the more useful QB but when healthy Wentz is on another level. It’s a big “if” but true nonetheless. 

Its only close statistically too because Wentz has missed what, 7 games? 

[Jroc04]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26743581/cowboys-crawford-faces-charge-bar-incident

Cowboys actin up again. And the beat goes on. 

[Jroc04]

3 hours ago, RBreezy said:

Its only close statistically too because Wentz has missed what, 7 games? 

I’m sure Matts will hit you with a handful of discriminate stats that make it close or so. But he knows who’s a better QB. I don’t really care what stats he can make look close. Carson has a learning curved rookie year with promise, Dak looked his best. 2nd year, Carson injury shortened season was MVP level before getting hurt. Dak regressed to about average and struggled without Zeke. 3rd year, Carson was decent but still recovering from injury and broke his back a couple games into the year, still put up decent stats. Dak settles in between his 1st and 2nd year and arguably is a top 10-12 QB. Injury is the big conflicting unknown here clearly. But a healthy Carson is another level better than Dak, maybe 2 levels. Currently, Dak can’t compare with Carson’s best. And Carson’s worse is arguably just as good as Dak’s best. I can’t understand anyone who watches football objectively and compares the two and puts Dak better. No doubt, Dak is a decent QB and has room to be better. We’ll see, he’s about 50 games into his career. He probably is what he is. But a healthy Carson blows him out of the water, its not close. But that’s the biggest concern and question; is Carson destined to be Sean Lee? 

[Matts4313]

5 hours ago, RBreezy said:

Its only close statistically too because Wentz has missed what, 7 games? 

Even averages or per game basis Dak beats Wentz in pretty much all statistics. 

1 hour ago, Jroc04 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26743581/cowboys-crawford-faces-charge-bar-incident

Cowboys actin up again. And the beat goes on. 

Thats old. Who knows what will happen, he kinda got jumped by the bouncers, but apparently he was being a donkey. 

1 hour ago, Jroc04 said:

I’m sure Matts will hit you with a handful of discriminate stats that make it close or so. But he knows who’s a better QB. I don’t really care what stats he can make look close. Carson has a learning curved rookie year with promise, Dak looked his best. 2nd year, Carson injury shortened season was MVP level before getting hurt. Dak regressed to about average and struggled without Zeke. 3rd year, Carson was decent but still recovering from injury and broke his back a couple games into the year, still put up decent stats. Dak settles in between his 1st and 2nd year and arguably is a top 10-12 QB. Injury is the big conflicting unknown here clearly. But a healthy Carson is another level better than Dak, maybe 2 levels. Currently, Dak can’t compare with Carson’s best. And Carson’s worse is arguably just as good as Dak’s best. I can’t understand anyone who watches football objectively and compares the two and puts Dak better. No doubt, Dak is a decent QB and has room to be better. We’ll see, he’s about 50 games into his career. He probably is what he is. But a healthy Carson blows him out of the water, its not close. But that’s the biggest concern and question; is Carson destined to be Sean Lee? 

You pick the stats then. Go ahead. 

And again, it wasnt Zeke - no matter how many times you say it. It was the OL going to complete crap. Morris was just as effective as Zeke in 2017. 

Dak and Carson are both in the ~8-12 range for QBs. Until proven otherwise, Carson's sophmore year TD's was an outlier. And that is literally the only reason he was considered for MVP. 

He has a bit more talent than Dak. But the 2 are a lot more closer than you all pretend. 

[Danger]

The thing you seem to ignore, Matts. Is that Carson's trajectory statistically is much more indicative of long term sustained success than that of Dak. Growth and sustained top 10 QB play is more likely to sustain success than that of the roller coaster that Dak's had.

[Jroc04]

1 hour ago, Matts4313 said:

Even averages or per game basis Dak beats Wentz in pretty much all statistics. 

Thats old. Who knows what will happen, he kinda got jumped by the bouncers, but apparently he was being a donkey. 

You pick the stats then. Go ahead. 

And again, it wasnt Zeke - no matter how many times you say it. It was the OL going to complete crap. Morris was just as effective as Zeke in 2017. 

Dak and Carson are both in the ~8-12 range for QBs. Until proven otherwise, Carson's sophmore year TD's was an outlier. And that is literally the only reason he was considered for MVP. 

He has a bit more talent than Dak. But the 2 are a lot more closer than you all pretend. 

Everything in the last two years. 

[Jroc04]

6 hours ago, RBreezy said:

Its only close statistically too because Wentz has missed what, 7 games? 

It’s only close because Dak was terrific his rookie year and Carson was average at best in his.  Neither of those years is indicative of what they are now though. Matts seems to think 2016 Dak is his baseline. It’s not. It’s the best season he’ll ever have. Convenient for my argument? Sure. But QBs are not what they are in their rookie years for their careers. For better or worse. 

Bottom line, Carson needs to be healthy to find the answer to the comparison. But if he doesn’t, there’s no contest. A healthy 10ish range QB is more valuable than a top tier talent that can’t stay healthy. A guy like that will give you a chance almost every year. But we’re talking value not talent. Where Wentz outshines Dak by a large margin. 

[Jroc04]

Morris being just as effective as Zeke in 2017 is a ridiculous statement by the way.

Firstly, my defense isn’t playing them the same. Zeke is a special talent. Morris is run of the mill. The whole defense changes against each one, respectively. 

Secondly, even against (most likely) softer defenses, Morris had like 2 decent-good games out of 6 he got starter volume. He had one touchdown the whole season. 1. While Zeke had about 7 decent-good games out of 10. With 9 TDs. 

Zeke had about 100 y/g and Morris was around 60 y/g  

How is that the same level effectiveness on any planet?

Interesting you’ll try and tear down Zeke to promote Dak. Zeke is a top tier RB. It’s ok to admit Zeke has a beneficiary effect on your QB. He would have one on any QB, as he should and clearly does. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Jroc04